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there are definitely people with symptoms that could be described as long covid; there are many others who are pathological hypochondriacs that latch onto whate

there are definitely people with symptoms that could be described as long covid; there are many others who are pathological hypochondriacs that latch onto whatever is floating around the memetic ecology that explains the physical manifestations of their distress and anxiety

ljw1001 4y ago
How many? So many. And that’s not just my opinion; it’s my strongly held opinion
6177c40f 4y ago
It may be that that ultimately proves to be the most likely explanation, but I strongly disagree with the level of certainty you're attaching to that claim in this case.
- pseudo0 4y ago
  The correlation with anxiety disorders makes me highly skeptical of long COVID claims: > “We were surprised by how strongly psychological distress before a COVID-19 infection was associated with an increased risk of long COVID,” said Siwen Wang, a researcher in the Department of Nutrition at Harvard Chan School who led the study. “Distress was more strongly associated with developing long COVID than physical health risk factors such as obesity, asthma, and hypertension.” https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/09/depression-anxiety-may-escalate-chances-of-long-covid-says-study/ https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/09/depression-an...
  - randm_sequence 4y ago
    It is well known that psychological distress can weaken the immune system making individuals less able to clear a novel virus.
    - nyolfen 4y ago
      surely this should be reflected in mortality rates, then, right? and yet...
tonfreed 4y ago
I've seen long COVID, my workmate would be fine then faint all of a sudden for a fortnight or so after he was off with the coof. I myself had a lot of breathing issues for a week or two after I had it, took me a month to get back into the swing of the gym. That being said, I've never seen anyone hit hard for more than a week or two. So I don't really know what to think here, but I have noticed that interest groups seem hellbent on riding this disease all the way into big funding grants and political power.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  A week or two wouldn't generally be considered Long Covid I don't think. That would just be extended acute symptoms. As one anecdotal data point: I'm 29, and was a previously fit (would regularly play sport, go for long hikes / bikes rides, etc), and I haven't been able to recover that fitness nearly 3 years later. I was not expecting this (I had covid early on in April 2020 before there was much talk of long covid), but I found that my endurance was greatly reduced post infection (I essentially get the same fatigue that anyone would get once they've completely exhausted themselves through strenuous exercise, just much, much quicker and with exercise that shouldn't be exhausting me). And when I have tried to push myself to regain fitness made those symptoms worse not better (after pushing myself, I could barely get out of bed for a couple of days - I've tried this 2 or 3 times). I'm lucky in that I can still do every day tasks (work, shopping, etc) just fine. Some people with more extreme symptoms can't even manage that.
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ljw1001 4y ago

How many? So many. And that’s not just my opinion; it’s my strongly held opinion

6177c40f 4y ago

It may be that that ultimately proves to be the most likely explanation, but I strongly disagree with the level of certainty you're attaching to that claim in this case.

pseudo0 4y ago
The correlation with anxiety disorders makes me highly skeptical of long COVID claims: > “We were surprised by how strongly psychological distress before a COVID-19 infection was associated with an increased risk of long COVID,” said Siwen Wang, a researcher in the Department of Nutrition at Harvard Chan School who led the study. “Distress was more strongly associated with developing long COVID than physical health risk factors such as obesity, asthma, and hypertension.” https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/09/depression-anxiety-may-escalate-chances-of-long-covid-says-study/ https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/09/depression-an...
- randm_sequence 4y ago
  It is well known that psychological distress can weaken the immune system making individuals less able to clear a novel virus.
  - nyolfen 4y ago
    surely this should be reflected in mortality rates, then, right? and yet...

tonfreed 4y ago

I've seen long COVID, my workmate would be fine then faint all of a sudden for a fortnight or so after he was off with the coof. I myself had a lot of breathing issues for a week or two after I had it, took me a month to get back into the swing of the gym. That being said, I've never seen anyone hit hard for more than a week or two. So I don't really know what to think here, but I have noticed that interest groups seem hellbent on riding this disease all the way into big funding grants and political power.

nicoburns 4y ago
A week or two wouldn't generally be considered Long Covid I don't think. That would just be extended acute symptoms. As one anecdotal data point: I'm 29, and was a previously fit (would regularly play sport, go for long hikes / bikes rides, etc), and I haven't been able to recover that fitness nearly 3 years later. I was not expecting this (I had covid early on in April 2020 before there was much talk of long covid), but I found that my endurance was greatly reduced post infection (I essentially get the same fatigue that anyone would get once they've completely exhausted themselves through strenuous exercise, just much, much quicker and with exercise that shouldn't be exhausting me). And when I have tried to push myself to regain fitness made those symptoms worse not better (after pushing myself, I could barely get out of bed for a couple of days - I've tried this 2 or 3 times). I'm lucky in that I can still do every day tasks (work, shopping, etc) just fine. Some people with more extreme symptoms can't even manage that.

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