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The EU signs up to ACTA, but French MEP quits in protest

61 points by majmun 15y ago

chalst 15y ago
It bears repeating: ACTA as a treaty has been ratified, but the legislative part of ACTA has not been ratified. You can: 1. Donate to the EFF - https://supporters.eff.org/donate https://supporters.eff.org/donate 2. Write to your MP and MEP - the Wired story has a lot of good points that can be used in a message. Remember paper beats email, but email still counts. Google "find your mep" for many services 3. Link to the Wired story.
- bad_user 15y ago
  ACTA as a treaty has been ratified, but the legislative part of ACTA has not been ratified Could you please explain the difference?
  - zalew 15y ago
    > ACTA as a treaty has been ratified hg clone acta > the legislative part of ACTA has not been ratified chmod +x acta/acta.sh
  - chalst 15y ago
    A treaty is an agreement that happens because diplomats acting on behalf of governments have reached agreement. So for ACTA, the treaty has been drawn up and agreed by various diplomats including those representing the EU. But these diplomats cannot legislate. The treaty only comes into force when the various parliaments pass laws committing their countries to the treaty's provisions.
    - bad_user 15y ago
      But did this treaty get passed the EU Parliament?
      - zalew 15y ago
        not yet, and there's a chance it won't because certain points violate EU's charter of fundamental rights
    - bad_user 15y ago
      So I don't get this - who authorizes a diplomat to go forth and sign the treaty? The country's government? So this issue was discussed in all 22 countries that signed it? When?
      - ktsmith 15y ago
        ACTA was discussed and developed almost entirely in secret over the last couple of years.
- cumulus 15y ago
  I would like to add a fourth: There are protests in pretty much all capitals (and elsewhere), be there! There is power in numbers.
dan85 15y ago
EDIT: I think that my conclusion in this message is wrong. ---------------- [PDF / page 8] http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.votewatch.eu%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2Fvotewatch_report_voting_behavior_26_january_beta.pdf&ei=koQiT8PjL8HNhAf-r9V2&usg=AFQjCNF7rNGSdj3Y4G6eKkP_CTm7GISTYA http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&#... PES http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_European_Socialists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_European_Socialists and The Green Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Party voted for ACTA. EPP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party voted against ACTA. ... and people call the right wing "evil fascists who eat babies".
- toyg 15y ago
  I'm a left-winger and I support this message. Post-WWII political categories are getting increasingly meaningless.
- feb 15y ago
  According to the text in the votewatch report you linked, the European Peope party voted against the proposition from the left in order to get their version to pass : "However, to win on this issue, the EPP and ECR first had to reject the joint Motion for Resolution proposed by the centre-left. The EPP and ECR managed to win thanks to 11 defections from ALDE and 13 from S&D members (the entire British Labour delegation)."
  - dan85 15y ago
    I think you might be right. Anyway, my distrust for ALL politicians still remains. The left-wing's MO is "think of the children" while the right-wing's is "we must fight terrorism". But in the end they all have the same goal.
    - DannoHung 15y ago
      Seriously? Maybe this is a European thing, but conservatives pull "TEH CHILDREN" just as much as anyone else.
zalew 15y ago
meanwhile in Poland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ACTA_protest_by_members_of_the_Polish_parliament.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ACTA_protest_by_members_of... http://m.onet.pl/_m/97f16e62164319581cc1a44fd071c744,9,1.jpg http://m.onet.pl/_m/97f16e62164319581cc1a44fd071c744,9,1.jpg http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.tvn24.pl/0,1732815,0,1,admin1-chroni-dziurawa-cybergranice-polski,wiadomosc.html&usg=ALkJrhhrOcqCdPhvYmxPLPtEikPea_HvZA http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&#... http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvn24.pl%2F-1%2C1732830%2C0%2C1%2C22_latek-zatrzymany-za-atak-na-strone-premiera%2Cwiadomosc.html&act=url http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js...

61 points by majmun 15y ago

It bears repeating: ACTA as a treaty has been ratified, but the legislative part of ACTA has not been ratified. You can: 1. Donate to the EFF - https://supporters.eff.org/donate https://supporters.eff.org/donate 2. Write to your MP and MEP - the Wired story has a lot of good points that can be used in a message. Remember paper beats email, but email still counts. Google "find your mep" for many services 3. Link to the Wired story.

bad_user 15y ago
ACTA as a treaty has been ratified, but the legislative part of ACTA has not been ratified Could you please explain the difference?
- zalew 15y ago
  > ACTA as a treaty has been ratified hg clone acta > the legislative part of ACTA has not been ratified chmod +x acta/acta.sh
- chalst 15y ago
  A treaty is an agreement that happens because diplomats acting on behalf of governments have reached agreement. So for ACTA, the treaty has been drawn up and agreed by various diplomats including those representing the EU. But these diplomats cannot legislate. The treaty only comes into force when the various parliaments pass laws committing their countries to the treaty's provisions.
  - bad_user 15y ago
    But did this treaty get passed the EU Parliament?
    - zalew 15y ago
      not yet, and there's a chance it won't because certain points violate EU's charter of fundamental rights
  - bad_user 15y ago
    So I don't get this - who authorizes a diplomat to go forth and sign the treaty? The country's government? So this issue was discussed in all 22 countries that signed it? When?
    - ktsmith 15y ago
      ACTA was discussed and developed almost entirely in secret over the last couple of years.
cumulus 15y ago
I would like to add a fourth: There are protests in pretty much all capitals (and elsewhere), be there! There is power in numbers.

dan85 15y ago

EDIT: I think that my conclusion in this message is wrong. ---------------- [PDF / page 8] http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.votewatch.eu%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F01%2Fvotewatch_report_voting_behavior_26_january_beta.pdf&ei=koQiT8PjL8HNhAf-r9V2&usg=AFQjCNF7rNGSdj3Y4G6eKkP_CTm7GISTYA http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&#... PES http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_European_Socialists http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_European_Socialists and The Green Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Party voted for ACTA. EPP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party voted against ACTA. ... and people call the right wing "evil fascists who eat babies".

toyg 15y ago
I'm a left-winger and I support this message. Post-WWII political categories are getting increasingly meaningless.
feb 15y ago
According to the text in the votewatch report you linked, the European Peope party voted against the proposition from the left in order to get their version to pass : "However, to win on this issue, the EPP and ECR first had to reject the joint Motion for Resolution proposed by the centre-left. The EPP and ECR managed to win thanks to 11 defections from ALDE and 13 from S&D members (the entire British Labour delegation)."
- dan85 15y ago
  I think you might be right. Anyway, my distrust for ALL politicians still remains. The left-wing's MO is "think of the children" while the right-wing's is "we must fight terrorism". But in the end they all have the same goal.
  - DannoHung 15y ago
    Seriously? Maybe this is a European thing, but conservatives pull "TEH CHILDREN" just as much as anyone else.

zalew 15y ago

meanwhile in Poland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ACTA_protest_by_members_of_the_Polish_parliament.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ACTA_protest_by_members_of... http://m.onet.pl/_m/97f16e62164319581cc1a44fd071c744,9,1.jpg http://m.onet.pl/_m/97f16e62164319581cc1a44fd071c744,9,1.jpg http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.tvn24.pl/0,1732815,0,1,admin1-chroni-dziurawa-cybergranice-polski,wiadomosc.html&usg=ALkJrhhrOcqCdPhvYmxPLPtEikPea_HvZA http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&#... http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvn24.pl%2F-1%2C1732830%2C0%2C1%2C22_latek-zatrzymany-za-atak-na-strone-premiera%2Cwiadomosc.html&act=url http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js...