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> It defaults to safe and old Debian versions of apps and software. It doesn't default to anything - you can load whatever OS you like that will run, including

by giobox 4y ago

> It defaults to safe and old Debian versions of apps and software. It doesn't default to anything - you can load whatever OS you like that will run, including latest major Linux distros, and plenty to choose from. You can obtain your software from anywhere you want, not just the distro's default package manager. Exactly like a plain ole computer. > Recent versions of said apps and software - unlikely. I have the latest Ubuntu LTS with Firefox, VSCode, Chromium etc all running on a Pi right now, the latest versions much the same as any other computer I own. It runs the latest versions of virtually all programming runtimes. It can have the latest version of Docker... Getting recent releases of Linux software appropriate for a credit sized hobbyist arm computer is rarely a problem at all on the Pi 4, which has been out now since ~2019. Its still not all that much harder on a Pi 2, 3 or zero.

ElectricalUnion 4y ago
> I have the latest Ubuntu LTS (...) all on the Pi 4, which has been out now since ~2019. Well, "out since 2019", but since 2021 new Raspberry Pis are basically unobtainable. And most "Pi 4"s are new. > Its still not all that much harder on a Pi 2, 3 or zero. Said Ubuntu Desktop 22.04.2 LTS for Raspberry Pi only "supports" the "Raspberry Pi 400" and "Raspberry Pi 4/Raspberry Pi CM4" +2GB ram configurations. Even Canonical expects pain if you don't use those. "Raspberry Pi 3" might be useable if you have tamed expectations. "Raspberry Pi 2" has issues because of it's 32-bit distribution. Using anything "modern" on it probably means compiling stuff (very slowly if on-device) and fixing issues yourself. "Raspberry Pi Zero" isn't even listed as supported anywhere because attempting to running anything non-purpose built for it is painful.
- giobox 4y ago
  Well, at least we are coming around to the fact its just a computer! And for what its worth, the Pi 4, 3, 2 and zero have crazy levels of support out there, your description does not match the reality I've lived. You might be surprised just how much runs on a Pi Zero.

by giobox 4y ago

ElectricalUnion 4y ago

> I have the latest Ubuntu LTS (...) all on the Pi 4, which has been out now since ~2019. Well, "out since 2019", but since 2021 new Raspberry Pis are basically unobtainable. And most "Pi 4"s are new. > Its still not all that much harder on a Pi 2, 3 or zero. Said Ubuntu Desktop 22.04.2 LTS for Raspberry Pi only "supports" the "Raspberry Pi 400" and "Raspberry Pi 4/Raspberry Pi CM4" +2GB ram configurations. Even Canonical expects pain if you don't use those. "Raspberry Pi 3" might be useable if you have tamed expectations. "Raspberry Pi 2" has issues because of it's 32-bit distribution. Using anything "modern" on it probably means compiling stuff (very slowly if on-device) and fixing issues yourself. "Raspberry Pi Zero" isn't even listed as supported anywhere because attempting to running anything non-purpose built for it is painful.

giobox 4y ago
Well, at least we are coming around to the fact its just a computer! And for what its worth, the Pi 4, 3, 2 and zero have crazy levels of support out there, your description does not match the reality I've lived. You might be surprised just how much runs on a Pi Zero.