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> A Pi is just a credit card sized ARM computer Well, not just a "ARM computer", a Arm 32-bit computer. If you're stuck with the "Raspberry Pi 1", "Raspberry

> A Pi is just a credit card sized ARM computer Well, not just a "ARM computer", a Arm 32-bit computer. If you're stuck with the "Raspberry Pi 1", "Raspberry Pi 2" and "Raspberry Pi Zero", you are really stuck with a 32 bit computer. Even assuming you have a arm64 enabled Raspberry Pi, you need to use the 64-bit version of Raspberry Pi OS, or you're stuck in a 32-bit userland. Even assuming you have Raspberry Pi OS (64-bit), you now are using a experimental version of Raspberry Pi OS, so expect issues. > there is no magic, it can run many of the same OSes as any other desktop or laptop There is actually a lot of magic involved, specifically, GPU blobs required for booting, and a patched (and old) kernel. Just try loading any other OS that doesn't specifically bundle those patches and a newer kernel and the rough spots get you pretty fast. > it can run the exact same apps and software in many cases The same apps and software, possibly. Recent versions of said apps and software - unlikely. It defaults to safe and old Debian versions of apps and software.

giobox 4y ago
> It defaults to safe and old Debian versions of apps and software. It doesn't default to anything - you can load whatever OS you like that will run, including latest major Linux distros, and plenty to choose from. You can obtain your software from anywhere you want, not just the distro's default package manager. Exactly like a plain ole computer. > Recent versions of said apps and software - unlikely. I have the latest Ubuntu LTS with Firefox, VSCode, Chromium etc all running on a Pi right now, the latest versions much the same as any other computer I own. It runs the latest versions of virtually all programming runtimes. It can have the latest version of Docker... Getting recent releases of Linux software appropriate for a credit sized hobbyist arm computer is rarely a problem at all on the Pi 4, which has been out now since ~2019. Its still not all that much harder on a Pi 2, 3 or zero.
- ElectricalUnion 4y ago
  > I have the latest Ubuntu LTS (...) all on the Pi 4, which has been out now since ~2019. Well, "out since 2019", but since 2021 new Raspberry Pis are basically unobtainable. And most "Pi 4"s are new. > Its still not all that much harder on a Pi 2, 3 or zero. Said Ubuntu Desktop 22.04.2 LTS for Raspberry Pi only "supports" the "Raspberry Pi 400" and "Raspberry Pi 4/Raspberry Pi CM4" +2GB ram configurations. Even Canonical expects pain if you don't use those. "Raspberry Pi 3" might be useable if you have tamed expectations. "Raspberry Pi 2" has issues because of it's 32-bit distribution. Using anything "modern" on it probably means compiling stuff (very slowly if on-device) and fixing issues yourself. "Raspberry Pi Zero" isn't even listed as supported anywhere because attempting to running anything non-purpose built for it is painful.
  - giobox 4y ago
    Well, at least we are coming around to the fact its just a computer! And for what its worth, the Pi 4, 3, 2 and zero have crazy levels of support out there, your description does not match the reality I've lived. You might be surprised just how much runs on a Pi Zero.

giobox 4y ago

> It defaults to safe and old Debian versions of apps and software. It doesn't default to anything - you can load whatever OS you like that will run, including latest major Linux distros, and plenty to choose from. You can obtain your software from anywhere you want, not just the distro's default package manager. Exactly like a plain ole computer. > Recent versions of said apps and software - unlikely. I have the latest Ubuntu LTS with Firefox, VSCode, Chromium etc all running on a Pi right now, the latest versions much the same as any other computer I own. It runs the latest versions of virtually all programming runtimes. It can have the latest version of Docker... Getting recent releases of Linux software appropriate for a credit sized hobbyist arm computer is rarely a problem at all on the Pi 4, which has been out now since ~2019. Its still not all that much harder on a Pi 2, 3 or zero.

ElectricalUnion 4y ago
> I have the latest Ubuntu LTS (...) all on the Pi 4, which has been out now since ~2019. Well, "out since 2019", but since 2021 new Raspberry Pis are basically unobtainable. And most "Pi 4"s are new. > Its still not all that much harder on a Pi 2, 3 or zero. Said Ubuntu Desktop 22.04.2 LTS for Raspberry Pi only "supports" the "Raspberry Pi 400" and "Raspberry Pi 4/Raspberry Pi CM4" +2GB ram configurations. Even Canonical expects pain if you don't use those. "Raspberry Pi 3" might be useable if you have tamed expectations. "Raspberry Pi 2" has issues because of it's 32-bit distribution. Using anything "modern" on it probably means compiling stuff (very slowly if on-device) and fixing issues yourself. "Raspberry Pi Zero" isn't even listed as supported anywhere because attempting to running anything non-purpose built for it is painful.
- giobox 4y ago
  Well, at least we are coming around to the fact its just a computer! And for what its worth, the Pi 4, 3, 2 and zero have crazy levels of support out there, your description does not match the reality I've lived. You might be surprised just how much runs on a Pi Zero.