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Out of curiosity, what did the ACLU do to limit 1A protections?

by jerry1979 4y ago

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Spivak 4y ago
Absolutely nothing. The most damming thing you can really say they’ve been exercising their choice of what battles to fight to prefer sympathetic defendants when possible. But they still go to bat for people you probably don’t like https://www.acluva.org/en/news/why-we-represented-alt-right-charlottesville https://www.acluva.org/en/news/why-we-represented-alt-right-...
lacker 4y ago
Here's a good article about the debate: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html Basically, the ACLU used to be very focused on supporting the first amendment, and recently has shifted more to supporting progressive causes, even when they conflict with the first amendment.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Maybe they see that allowing literal nazi (by their own accord) organizations hasn't actually reduced their presence like some free speech absolutists seem to believe. If your ideology shows itself to not work, maybe you can change your ideology?
  - briandear 4y ago
    Did the first amendment change?
  - john_the_writer 4y ago
    I don't think free speech absolutists believe that. I think I'm an absolutist.. Here's a question I like to ask people who aren't. Which member of your family would you give the power to tell you what you can't say. Pick one. Once you pick, you can't change your mind. For the rest of your life you have to only say what they let you.
  - telotortium 4y ago
    I for one would have donated to the old ACLU, but once I had grown up enough to be in the position to donate, they had changed their political strategy, so I will no longer donate to them.
  - Slava_Propanei 4y ago
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mminer237 4y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html They got a political rally in support of keeping civil war statues shut down by the government. Their attorney stated that "Stopping the circulation of [Abigail Shrier's] book and these ideas is 100% a hill I will die on." They applauded students and professors blocking reporters from documenting a protest. They filed a brief in support of disciplining teachers for using the wrong pronouns. They say they now consider various factors in whether or not to defend speech, including "the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are contrary to our values".
- a_shovel 4y ago
  > They got a political rally in support of keeping civil war statues shut down by the government. The only thing similar to that in the article is the Charlottesville protests, which the ACLU defended.
  - Slava_Propanei 4y ago
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Out of curiosity, what did the ACLU do to limit 1A protections?

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Absolutely nothing. The most damming thing you can really say they’ve been exercising their choice of what battles to fight to prefer sympathetic defendants when possible. But they still go to bat for people you probably don’t like https://www.acluva.org/en/news/why-we-represented-alt-right-charlottesville https://www.acluva.org/en/news/why-we-represented-alt-right-...

lacker 4y ago

Here's a good article about the debate: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html Basically, the ACLU used to be very focused on supporting the first amendment, and recently has shifted more to supporting progressive causes, even when they conflict with the first amendment.

mrguyorama 4y ago
Maybe they see that allowing literal nazi (by their own accord) organizations hasn't actually reduced their presence like some free speech absolutists seem to believe. If your ideology shows itself to not work, maybe you can change your ideology?
- briandear 4y ago
  Did the first amendment change?
- john_the_writer 4y ago
  I don't think free speech absolutists believe that. I think I'm an absolutist.. Here's a question I like to ask people who aren't. Which member of your family would you give the power to tell you what you can't say. Pick one. Once you pick, you can't change your mind. For the rest of your life you have to only say what they let you.
- telotortium 4y ago
  I for one would have donated to the old ACLU, but once I had grown up enough to be in the position to donate, they had changed their political strategy, so I will no longer donate to them.
- Slava_Propanei 4y ago
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mminer237 4y ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html They got a political rally in support of keeping civil war statues shut down by the government. Their attorney stated that "Stopping the circulation of [Abigail Shrier's] book and these ideas is 100% a hill I will die on." They applauded students and professors blocking reporters from documenting a protest. They filed a brief in support of disciplining teachers for using the wrong pronouns. They say they now consider various factors in whether or not to defend speech, including "the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are contrary to our values".

a_shovel 4y ago
> They got a political rally in support of keeping civil war statues shut down by the government. The only thing similar to that in the article is the Charlottesville protests, which the ACLU defended.
- Slava_Propanei 4y ago
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