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As a prior ACLU supporter, I eventually switched over all of that monetary support to the EFF, whose litigation matches much closer to what I believe are broadl
by ed25519FUUU 4y ago
As a prior ACLU supporter, I eventually switched over all of that monetary support to the EFF, whose litigation matches much closer to what I believe are broadly important civil liberties.
ACLU meanwhile seems obsessed with limiting my 1A right to free speech, which is baffling. Not even to mention 2A rights.
- jerry1979 4y agoOut of curiosity, what did the ACLU do to limit 1A protections?
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- Spivak 4y agoAbsolutely nothing. The most damming thing you can really say they’ve been exercising their choice of what battles to fight to prefer sympathetic defendants when possible. But they still go to bat for people you probably don’t like https://www.acluva.org/en/news/why-we-represented-alt-right-charlottesville https://www.acluva.org/en/news/why-we-represented-alt-right-...
- lacker 4y agoHere's a good article about the debate: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html Basically, the ACLU used to be very focused on supporting the first amendment, and recently has shifted more to supporting progressive causes, even when they conflict with the first amendment.
- mrguyorama 4y agoMaybe they see that allowing literal nazi (by their own accord) organizations hasn't actually reduced their presence like some free speech absolutists seem to believe. If your ideology shows itself to not work, maybe you can change your ideology?
- briandear 4y agoDid the first amendment change?
- john_the_writer 4y agoI don't think free speech absolutists believe that. I think I'm an absolutist.. Here's a question I like to ask people who aren't. Which member of your family would you give the power to tell you what you can't say. Pick one. Once you pick, you can't change your mind. For the rest of your life you have to only say what they let you.
- telotortium 4y agoI for one would have donated to the old ACLU, but once I had grown up enough to be in the position to donate, they had changed their political strategy, so I will no longer donate to them.
- Slava_Propanei 4y ago[dead]
- mminer237 4y agohttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html They got a political rally in support of keeping civil war statues shut down by the government. Their attorney stated that "Stopping the circulation of [Abigail Shrier's] book and these ideas is 100% a hill I will die on." They applauded students and professors blocking reporters from documenting a protest. They filed a brief in support of disciplining teachers for using the wrong pronouns. They say they now consider various factors in whether or not to defend speech, including "the extent to which the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are contrary to our values".
- a_shovel 4y ago> They got a political rally in support of keeping civil war statues shut down by the government. The only thing similar to that in the article is the Charlottesville protests, which the ACLU defended.
- Slava_Propanei 4y ago[dead]
- pmarreck 4y agoWhat is baffling is your lack of provided evidence to that claim, which is a strong claim (which demands evidence) due to its conflict with the ACLU's own position document on the 1st Amendment: https://www.aclu.org/other/freedom-expression-aclu-position-paper https://www.aclu.org/other/freedom-expression-aclu-position-...
- ed25519FUUU 4y agoShokie was almost 50 years ago. As an example, can you name a single recent court case where the ACLU defended speech against a "protected class"? Speech we all agree with doesn't need defending.
- Syonyk 4y agoThe ACLU just is obsessed with sending me "push poll" sort of "surveys" in which they goal is to rile me up before the important "And how much will you donate?" question. They're the mirror image of the "push poll" surveys I get from conservative groups. The amount of junkmail I get trying to ensure I'm outraged enough to open my wallet, from both sides, is entirely absurd. I guess that's what I deserve for subscribing to a range of magazines instead of plugging into the online outrage engines.
- throwaway894345 4y agoYeah, the ACLU definitely feels more like a political super PAC (the Democratic counterpart to the Koch brothers' Americans for Prosperity, perhaps) than it does a civil liberties union.