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Could they just have people sign non-competes perhaps? If you want to work there, it's just part of the package. Seems like a fair trade off to me, and everythi

Could they just have people sign non-competes perhaps? If you want to work there, it's just part of the package. Seems like a fair trade off to me, and everything is above ground.

michael_miller 15y ago
Aren't noncompetes non-enforcable in California? (I'm not a lawyer)
- podperson 15y ago
  I think non-competes must be enforceable in California since I've been slapped with one while working for a CA-based company. That said, I suspect that they're not easily enforceable or frequently enforced. It seems to me that the idea behind this was not fundamentally price-fixing but eliminating the kind of disruption to projects (and inevitable leakage of ideas and technology) you'd get from having people hopping around from company to company. Price fixing may well have figured into it, but I doubt it was the main reason. "Veridian does love its money." Veronica (Better Off Ted)
- gergles 15y ago
  Correct, B&PC sect. 16600 http://online.ceb.com/CalCases/C4/44C4t937.htm http://online.ceb.com/CalCases/C4/44C4t937.htm
lawnchair_larry 15y ago
There is nothing fair about that.
salem 15y ago
I'm not a lawyer, but I believe non-compete clauses in employment contracts are not legal in California. Restrictions against non-complete clauses and against forcing employees to assign all intellectual property to employers (even from personal projects) are part of what makes Silicon Valley what it is.
michaelochurch 15y ago
Not a fair trade, and impossible to enforce. There's plenty of case law saying that a non-compete that prevents a person from making a living in his profession is null and void. Apple and Google could be argued to be "competitors for talent", but if you work on one product at Apple and move to Google and work on something different, there's no state in the country that would consider that a violation of a non-competition agreement. To my knowledge, non-competes are only successfully enforced over trade secrets and client lists.

Could they just have people sign non-competes perhaps? If you want to work there, it's just part of the package. Seems like a fair trade off to me, and everything is above ground.

michael_miller 15y ago

Aren't noncompetes non-enforcable in California? (I'm not a lawyer)

podperson 15y ago
I think non-competes must be enforceable in California since I've been slapped with one while working for a CA-based company. That said, I suspect that they're not easily enforceable or frequently enforced. It seems to me that the idea behind this was not fundamentally price-fixing but eliminating the kind of disruption to projects (and inevitable leakage of ideas and technology) you'd get from having people hopping around from company to company. Price fixing may well have figured into it, but I doubt it was the main reason. "Veridian does love its money." Veronica (Better Off Ted)
gergles 15y ago
Correct, B&PC sect. 16600 http://online.ceb.com/CalCases/C4/44C4t937.htm http://online.ceb.com/CalCases/C4/44C4t937.htm

lawnchair_larry 15y ago

There is nothing fair about that.

salem 15y ago

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe non-compete clauses in employment contracts are not legal in California. Restrictions against non-complete clauses and against forcing employees to assign all intellectual property to employers (even from personal projects) are part of what makes Silicon Valley what it is.

michaelochurch 15y ago

Not a fair trade, and impossible to enforce. There's plenty of case law saying that a non-compete that prevents a person from making a living in his profession is null and void. Apple and Google could be argued to be "competitors for talent", but if you work on one product at Apple and move to Google and work on something different, there's no state in the country that would consider that a violation of a non-competition agreement. To my knowledge, non-competes are only successfully enforced over trade secrets and client lists.