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Fair enough, but why not push back on the lawyers before pushing the publish button, and spare yourself from a possibly inauspicious start?

throwawaysalome 4y ago
Because most reasonable people don't cavil about self-evident boilerplate.
- version_five 4y ago
  This sounds like a jab at people that are raising this as a concern. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong. What I've seen is that lawyers or anyone drafting agreements generally likes to overstate their position, or put another way take as much as they can get away with. It's rarely done with explicit malicious intent, more with negotiation in mind. Ask for more than you want and then go back and forth to arrive at something that works. It's just sort of an added bonus if people agree with the terms. So anyway, it's incumbent on those negotiating and agreeing to contracts to read what they're signing up for and discuss to arrive at an actual agreement that serves everybody. What happened in the discussion above is actually a great example of that happening, even if it was inadvertent.
- temporary22 4y ago
  And this is NOT self evident boilerplate. It's quite the opposite, and I do not believe any company would get a product out without reviewing the T&C. So, the terms were at least approved by some, and are now being revised because somebody pointed the problems out in a public forum.
foxandmouse 4y ago
When you go to a tailor for a custom suit, do you double-check that he's taken accurate measurements?
- jgalt212 4y ago
  I do check that it fits and that he's delivering what I've asked him to deliver. And if I don't know what a good custom suit should be, then I should not buy one, or I should seek assistance in its purchase.
- igetspam 4y ago
  I don't own a custom suit but I assume I'd be in the room when they were taking my measurements and I my eyes would be open, so I could see the tape. And then I'd try it own before agreeing to taking it home. I'm not sure which side of the argument your analogy is on. I do a lot of back and forth with our lawyers on terms. I read all of it and give feedback.

throwawaysalome 4y ago

Because most reasonable people don't cavil about self-evident boilerplate.

version_five 4y ago
This sounds like a jab at people that are raising this as a concern. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong. What I've seen is that lawyers or anyone drafting agreements generally likes to overstate their position, or put another way take as much as they can get away with. It's rarely done with explicit malicious intent, more with negotiation in mind. Ask for more than you want and then go back and forth to arrive at something that works. It's just sort of an added bonus if people agree with the terms. So anyway, it's incumbent on those negotiating and agreeing to contracts to read what they're signing up for and discuss to arrive at an actual agreement that serves everybody. What happened in the discussion above is actually a great example of that happening, even if it was inadvertent.
temporary22 4y ago
And this is NOT self evident boilerplate. It's quite the opposite, and I do not believe any company would get a product out without reviewing the T&C. So, the terms were at least approved by some, and are now being revised because somebody pointed the problems out in a public forum.

foxandmouse 4y ago

When you go to a tailor for a custom suit, do you double-check that he's taken accurate measurements?

jgalt212 4y ago
I do check that it fits and that he's delivering what I've asked him to deliver. And if I don't know what a good custom suit should be, then I should not buy one, or I should seek assistance in its purchase.
igetspam 4y ago
I don't own a custom suit but I assume I'd be in the room when they were taking my measurements and I my eyes would be open, so I could see the tape. And then I'd try it own before agreeing to taking it home. I'm not sure which side of the argument your analogy is on. I do a lot of back and forth with our lawyers on terms. I read all of it and give feedback.