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Hell of a license: ---- INVESTIGATIONS, MONITORING, & NO OBLIGATION TO PRE-SCREEN CONTENT. Zed may, but is not obligated to, investigate, monitor, pre-screen,

Hell of a license: ---- INVESTIGATIONS, MONITORING, & NO OBLIGATION TO PRE-SCREEN CONTENT. Zed may, but is not obligated to, investigate, monitor, pre-screen, remove, refuse, or review the Service and/or Content, including Your Content and User Content, at any time. By entering into the Agreement, you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy concerning the transmission of Your Content, including without limitation chat, text, or voice communications. In the event that Zed pre-screens, refuses or removes any Content, you acknowledge that Zed will do so for Zed’s benefit, not yours. ---- Irrevocable consent.

bluelightning2k 4y ago
Wait WHAT. That sounds like an April fools license...
throwawaymanbot 4y ago
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jdc0589 4y ago
yea, thats gonna be a no for me dawg
version_five 4y ago
Not in anyway justifying it, but is this for some kind of "social" feature or does it actually relate to code you write? I wonder if this is for some kind of content moderation law compliance? It's a shitty licence but exactly the behavior that's incentivized by governments imposing content moderation rules
- u320 4y ago
  Yes this is for stuff you upload to their "service" whatever that is. It has nothing to do with the editor itself.
  - ibejoeb 4y ago
    Can you please point out where you find this exclusion? You may be right, and it's hard to examine with the dual numbering system in there, but I've been through it and I don't see anything other than "everything is ours."
- ibejoeb 4y ago
  Regardless of intent, the way it is written is that the "Service" is what you're agreeing to, and that includes license to run a single instance of the "Application" and the "Tool" on a single device that you own. It's incompatible with pretty much any activity. It also includes great stuff like: > you agree to (a) provide true, accurate, current, and complete information about yourself as prompted by the registration form (the “Registration Data”), and (b) maintain and promptly update the Registration Data to keep it true, accurate, current, and complete. > You agree not to create an Account using a false identity
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    So when I move, I have to update Zed with my new address or what? My license is legally invalid? I'm in breach of terms of service?
    - ibejoeb 4y ago
      Yes. "If you provide any information that is untrue, inaccurate, not current or incomplete, or Zed has reasonable grounds to suspect that any information you provide is untrue, inaccurate, not current or incomplete, Zed has the right to suspend or terminate your Account and refuse any and all current or future use of the Service" (Oxford commas, bruh.) "you acknowledge and agree that you shall have no ownership or other property interest in your Account, and you further acknowledge and agree that all rights in and to your Account are and shall forever be owned by and inure to the benefit of Zed."
zamalek 4y ago
Privacy issues aside, this makes it unusable in a professional setting. Maybe this is a feature for monetization?
waynesonfire 4y ago
Thanks for saving me time.
babelfish 4y ago
That sounds unconscionable, wonder if it would hold up in court (my guess is not).
- kybernetyk 4y ago
  But do you have the funds/time to find out?
  - babelfish 4y ago
    I do, but I wouldn't use this editor based on the ToC alone.
maxbrunsfeld 4y ago
Thanks for pointing this out. Our whole terms-of-service is just standard boilerplate provided by our lawyers, but this part doesn't really apply to Zed. Obviously, there's no "content moderation" for project code that you collaborate on with Zed. We'll look into adjusting this to make it clearer that we don't do anything remotely concerning or invasive.
- Meekro 4y ago
  I'm glad to hear you'll be addressing this. To an unsophisticated reader like myself, it sounds like you guys are planning to examine the code I edit in Zed, maybe even keep copies of it. Aside from the general creepiness, many programmers are bound by contract to protect their employer's codebase.
- jgalt212 4y ago
  Fair enough, but why not push back on the lawyers before pushing the publish button, and spare yourself from a possibly inauspicious start?
  - throwawaysalome 4y ago
    Because most reasonable people don't cavil about self-evident boilerplate.
    - version_five 4y ago
      This sounds like a jab at people that are raising this as a concern. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong. What I've seen is that lawyers or anyone drafting agreements generally likes to overstate their position, or put another way take as much as they can get away with. It's rarely done with explicit malicious intent, more with negotiation in mind. Ask for more than you want and then go back and forth to arrive at something that works. It's just sort of an added bonus if people agree with the terms. So anyway, it's incumbent on those negotiating and agreeing to contracts to read what they're signing up for and discuss to arrive at an actual agreement that serves everybody. What happened in the discussion above is actually a great example of that happening, even if it was inadvertent.
kybernetyk 4y ago
Luckily I read this comment before starting the thing. (I as always clicked "agree" on the license/TOS screen). Into the ~/.Trash it goes.
nathansobo 4y ago
Hey, we're actively working to get in touch with a new lawyer to help us do a better job with this. I agree this isn't cool. I was rushed to get the launch out and didn't review the terms carefully enough. We will try to do better going forward. Our goal is to be respectful.

bluelightning2k 4y ago

Wait WHAT. That sounds like an April fools license...

throwawaymanbot 4y ago

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jdc0589 4y ago

yea, thats gonna be a no for me dawg

version_five 4y ago

Not in anyway justifying it, but is this for some kind of "social" feature or does it actually relate to code you write? I wonder if this is for some kind of content moderation law compliance? It's a shitty licence but exactly the behavior that's incentivized by governments imposing content moderation rules

u320 4y ago
Yes this is for stuff you upload to their "service" whatever that is. It has nothing to do with the editor itself.
- ibejoeb 4y ago
  Can you please point out where you find this exclusion? You may be right, and it's hard to examine with the dual numbering system in there, but I've been through it and I don't see anything other than "everything is ours."
ibejoeb 4y ago
Regardless of intent, the way it is written is that the "Service" is what you're agreeing to, and that includes license to run a single instance of the "Application" and the "Tool" on a single device that you own. It's incompatible with pretty much any activity. It also includes great stuff like: > you agree to (a) provide true, accurate, current, and complete information about yourself as prompted by the registration form (the “Registration Data”), and (b) maintain and promptly update the Registration Data to keep it true, accurate, current, and complete. > You agree not to create an Account using a false identity
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  So when I move, I have to update Zed with my new address or what? My license is legally invalid? I'm in breach of terms of service?
  - ibejoeb 4y ago
    Yes. "If you provide any information that is untrue, inaccurate, not current or incomplete, or Zed has reasonable grounds to suspect that any information you provide is untrue, inaccurate, not current or incomplete, Zed has the right to suspend or terminate your Account and refuse any and all current or future use of the Service" (Oxford commas, bruh.) "you acknowledge and agree that you shall have no ownership or other property interest in your Account, and you further acknowledge and agree that all rights in and to your Account are and shall forever be owned by and inure to the benefit of Zed."

zamalek 4y ago

Privacy issues aside, this makes it unusable in a professional setting. Maybe this is a feature for monetization?

waynesonfire 4y ago

Thanks for saving me time.

babelfish 4y ago

That sounds unconscionable, wonder if it would hold up in court (my guess is not).

kybernetyk 4y ago
But do you have the funds/time to find out?
- babelfish 4y ago
  I do, but I wouldn't use this editor based on the ToC alone.

maxbrunsfeld 4y ago

Thanks for pointing this out. Our whole terms-of-service is just standard boilerplate provided by our lawyers, but this part doesn't really apply to Zed. Obviously, there's no "content moderation" for project code that you collaborate on with Zed. We'll look into adjusting this to make it clearer that we don't do anything remotely concerning or invasive.

Meekro 4y ago
I'm glad to hear you'll be addressing this. To an unsophisticated reader like myself, it sounds like you guys are planning to examine the code I edit in Zed, maybe even keep copies of it. Aside from the general creepiness, many programmers are bound by contract to protect their employer's codebase.
jgalt212 4y ago
Fair enough, but why not push back on the lawyers before pushing the publish button, and spare yourself from a possibly inauspicious start?
- throwawaysalome 4y ago
  Because most reasonable people don't cavil about self-evident boilerplate.
  - version_five 4y ago
    This sounds like a jab at people that are raising this as a concern. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong. What I've seen is that lawyers or anyone drafting agreements generally likes to overstate their position, or put another way take as much as they can get away with. It's rarely done with explicit malicious intent, more with negotiation in mind. Ask for more than you want and then go back and forth to arrive at something that works. It's just sort of an added bonus if people agree with the terms. So anyway, it's incumbent on those negotiating and agreeing to contracts to read what they're signing up for and discuss to arrive at an actual agreement that serves everybody. What happened in the discussion above is actually a great example of that happening, even if it was inadvertent.

kybernetyk 4y ago

Luckily I read this comment before starting the thing. (I as always clicked "agree" on the license/TOS screen). Into the ~/.Trash it goes.

nathansobo 4y ago

Hey, we're actively working to get in touch with a new lawyer to help us do a better job with this. I agree this isn't cool. I was rushed to get the launch out and didn't review the terms carefully enough. We will try to do better going forward. Our goal is to be respectful.