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They should not be allowed to lie and say their technology "enhances details". This is not a TV show and there are no details to be enhanced.

whatshisface 4y ago
It not be out of the ordinary for nobody to understand that what it is doing is impossible except for a few souls in the engineering department, who only agreed to implement it after repeated assurances from someone 8 steps removed from anything to do with communication, that the truth would be clearly communicated. I don't think anyone involved is lying, what happens in big corporations is that each of one hundred people distorts the truth by 1%, for a total distortion of 100%.
- cma 4y ago
  At some point I don't find it too outrageous that someone said "the moon rarely changes, we can beat Apple at astrophotography by cheating."
Wistar 4y ago
"Computer, please show me your best guess."
scottlawson 4y ago
Enhancing is the correct term here, at least, in a technical context it is. Image enhancement is defined as a process which aims to improve bad images so that they "look" better. Enhancement aims to make it look better to a human, and often but not always takes into account knowledge of the human visual system to get better looking results. Image restoration is a defined as a process which aims to invert known degradation operations applied to image, such as pepper noise, scratches, or missing fragments of old photographs. It's surprisingly to me how strongly you object to the word enhancement even though image processing textbooks are clear about the definition and have been using the word for decades. I think it shows some ignorance about how cameras and image processing works in modern devices.
favaq 4y ago
Of course there are details to be enhanced. The moon has craters. The craters are details. If a bad picture of the moon shows blurry craters, making the craters sharp enhances the details of the moon. I don't see where the lie is.
- x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
  Because it's not getting those details by looking at the moon right now, it's getting them based on pictures people have previously taken of the moon.
  - favaq 4y ago
    That doesn't make it a lie to say that it "enhances details". You are discontent with the method used.
    - buffington 4y ago
      I'd argue that "enhancing details" is not the same as "replacing details". Modifying the existing pixels captured by the sensor isn't the same as replacing an AI recognized section of the original pixels with other pixels entirely. I think other interpretations of "enhance" aren't wrong either, since "enhance" is pretty subjective in the first place.
    - x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
      If there were suddenly a new crater on the moon whose photons were reaching the camera, and the AI algorithm decided that it didn't exist (and removed it) because older pictures of the moon didn't include it, I'd contest that the photo wasn't "enhanced."
    - filoleg 4y ago
      One method uses the photo you actually took as the base and enhances from that. The other method used a random old picture of the moon from elsewhere and copypastes details of that onto your photos. The distinction is significant, as for one of them your photo is the sole source of truth, while for the other it just "inserts" the image from elsewhere into your own photo. The former is expected, but the latter is not. It's the same as the difference between enhancing a photo of yourself by doing some color/light processing or upscaling/sharpening using AI vs. "enhancing" by getting Brad Pitt's eyes and Angelina Jolie's nose copypasted onto a photo of your own face.

whatshisface 4y ago

It not be out of the ordinary for nobody to understand that what it is doing is impossible except for a few souls in the engineering department, who only agreed to implement it after repeated assurances from someone 8 steps removed from anything to do with communication, that the truth would be clearly communicated. I don't think anyone involved is lying, what happens in big corporations is that each of one hundred people distorts the truth by 1%, for a total distortion of 100%.

cma 4y ago
At some point I don't find it too outrageous that someone said "the moon rarely changes, we can beat Apple at astrophotography by cheating."

Wistar 4y ago

"Computer, please show me your best guess."

scottlawson 4y ago

Enhancing is the correct term here, at least, in a technical context it is. Image enhancement is defined as a process which aims to improve bad images so that they "look" better. Enhancement aims to make it look better to a human, and often but not always takes into account knowledge of the human visual system to get better looking results. Image restoration is a defined as a process which aims to invert known degradation operations applied to image, such as pepper noise, scratches, or missing fragments of old photographs. It's surprisingly to me how strongly you object to the word enhancement even though image processing textbooks are clear about the definition and have been using the word for decades. I think it shows some ignorance about how cameras and image processing works in modern devices.

favaq 4y ago

Of course there are details to be enhanced. The moon has craters. The craters are details. If a bad picture of the moon shows blurry craters, making the craters sharp enhances the details of the moon. I don't see where the lie is.

x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
Because it's not getting those details by looking at the moon right now, it's getting them based on pictures people have previously taken of the moon.
- favaq 4y ago
  That doesn't make it a lie to say that it "enhances details". You are discontent with the method used.
  - buffington 4y ago
    I'd argue that "enhancing details" is not the same as "replacing details". Modifying the existing pixels captured by the sensor isn't the same as replacing an AI recognized section of the original pixels with other pixels entirely. I think other interpretations of "enhance" aren't wrong either, since "enhance" is pretty subjective in the first place.
  - x3n0ph3n3 4y ago
    If there were suddenly a new crater on the moon whose photons were reaching the camera, and the AI algorithm decided that it didn't exist (and removed it) because older pictures of the moon didn't include it, I'd contest that the photo wasn't "enhanced."
  - filoleg 4y ago
    One method uses the photo you actually took as the base and enhances from that. The other method used a random old picture of the moon from elsewhere and copypastes details of that onto your photos. The distinction is significant, as for one of them your photo is the sole source of truth, while for the other it just "inserts" the image from elsewhere into your own photo. The former is expected, but the latter is not. It's the same as the difference between enhancing a photo of yourself by doing some color/light processing or upscaling/sharpening using AI vs. "enhancing" by getting Brad Pitt's eyes and Angelina Jolie's nose copypasted onto a photo of your own face.