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Ahh bummer :/ > https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/174 https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/174 > Hey y'all – We are excited tha

by deburo 4y ago

Ahh bummer :/ > https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/174 https://github.com/zed-industries/community/issues/174 > Hey y'all – We are excited that you all are excited to try Zed. Just want to make sure expectations are in check – We plan to release on multiple platforms for 1.0, but work on these has not even begun yet.

nickstinemates 4y ago
Developing on a mac is terrible; will take a look when other platforms are supported.
- TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
  Only if you're trying to build for Windows.
  - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
    No macOS is a horrible developer platform in general. The only thing that makes it remotely viable is the tireless efforts of the Homebrew project. I can't imagine thinking macOS is a good programmer OS
    - eddieroger 4y ago
      I can't imagine not. Productivity on Windows is atrocious - I can't even launch an app without seeing an ad. And what is this Cortana and why does she want to help me so much? It works all ways. Let people like what they like. No one is forcing you to do anything on a Mac.
      - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
        windows is equally as bad if not worse for me than macos. in no way would I suggest you use that.
    - zamalek 4y ago
      Don't forget the first-party container runtime. Even Windows has one (or, er, three?). I am mostly responsible for maintaining our local development stack scripts, and Colima (to be clear, a heroic project) and MacOS are a continuous source of problems (full time problems when M1 first launched, down to at least 2-3 issues a month). I was helping a coworker with getting scripts working on Windows/WSL and how much effort was it? Download it and run it - no changes. How much effort was it when I migrated to Ubuntu (hurrah Intune for Linux)? All I had to do was disable Colima in our scripts. The GP comments throws shade at Windows. Honestly? Probably still a better developer platform than MacOS. Working on MacOS is full of not-work.
      - TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
        For lack of a better term, I've been a full-stack programmer for 27 years. I ran Linux on the desktop for 19 years. I've run MacOS for about 8 now. And, always, Windows, of course, because companies. I've developed extensively for PHP, VB, C, ASP, VB.NET, C#, some Python, a tiny bit of Java, and (my fave) Ruby on Rails. My main projects of the last 10 years use a large C# program which I compile to run on Mac, Linux, and Windows. So, I've been around the block. A couple times. I'm typing this from a Mac. When I've wanted a "container," I've used a real VM. I just installed Docker desktop last week for some new work in machine learning. YMMV. TACMA.
        zamalek 4y ago
        > When I've wanted a "container," I've used a real VM. I mean, sure, that's great for you. Maybe you've just never visited a block where you can't reasonably use a VM to replace containers, such as a good amount of shops where local environments approximate production (i.e. containers). > I just installed Docker desktop last week All I can say is, "good luck!" DD is by far the worst container runtime for MacOS.
        DennisAleynikov 4y ago
        i've found some luck with OrbStack by kdrag0n
    - MissTake 4y ago
      How dare there be choices? I’m a developer - I do a huge amount of work on Sql Server and .Net. Unless I need to update some Sql Server CLR Procedures, all my development is done on my Mac using the Jetbrains suite or Azure Data Studio. So it obviously works for many of us. You do you, we’ll do us.
      - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
        no I know it works, I just got a m2 pro 32GB mac mini to do diffusion and GPT related stuff and found that all the apis are broken and the neural engine actually has no real support for any of the interesting generative ai programs yet. doing my best to port things over but having to rely on the free labor of homebrew developers is grating
    - deleted 4y ago
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- rcme 4y ago
  What makes it terrible?
  - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
    It's like if Ubuntu locked you in a jail Only windows is worse
    - dmonitor 4y ago
      that’s still better than windows in my book
    - rcme 4y ago
      I guess I was hoping for a more concrete example.
      - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
        specifically the weird discrepancy when porting anything there, the lack of bootcamp support (used to be a thing). just feels kinda like iOS on the desktop give all of the restrictions. The universal codesigning and difficulty with making macos/ios apps unless you have a developer account and pay $100 is also a slap in the face. just gives off an unprofessional vibe. but to be honest I would never use windows for development either unless I'm only using WSL2
  - nickstinemates 4y ago
    I have no issues with people who like it; it's not for me for a multitude of reasons. From system management and integration, lack of apps, being a walled garden etc. People call out the heroics of homebrew, but this problem exists on Windows - you can use chocolatey and whatnot in the same way. I have different gripes with Windows which are also mentioned here. Whereas with Apple products I feel like my freedom is suppressed, with Windows I feel Big-Brother like oppression. M1 Air is a great laptop. I love it for the battery life and weight. I only use it when traveling, specifically en-route when a traditional keyboard/mouse isn't viable. All of my development is still done on Linux even when using a local editor via VS Code Remote SSH support.
- kstrauser 4y ago
  looks around and waves hands at hundreds of thousands of Bay Area developers using Macs A Unix box with a nice UI? It's what I always wanted.
  - TremendousJudge 4y ago
    what I don't understand is how it's seen as acceptable to pay several thousand dollars for a machine that is sold as a "full experience" and then relying on the work of some people outside Apple that build homebrew and make it actually usable for development
    - kstrauser 4y ago
      People outside Dell built Windows. People outside Microsoft built the components of WSL. There's not a laptop in existence where one party built everything I'd need on it.
glass3 4y ago
Can't other platforms use https://www.darlinghq.org/ https://www.darlinghq.org/ to run that MacOS application on Linux?
- commoner 4y ago
  Darling will hopefully one day support complex GUI applications, but it's not there yet. From https://www.darlinghq.org https://www.darlinghq.org: > Does it support GUI apps? > Almost! This took us a lot of time and effort, but we finally have basic experimental support for running simple graphical applications. From https://docs.darlinghq.org/known-nonfunctional-software.html https://docs.darlinghq.org/known-nonfunctional-software.html: > GUI applications will not work in Darling at this point in time, with very few exceptions. > Any complex GUI application in general will not work at this point in time - only simple "Hello World" type GUIs will work.

by deburo 4y ago

nickstinemates 4y ago

Developing on a mac is terrible; will take a look when other platforms are supported.

TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
Only if you're trying to build for Windows.
- DennisAleynikov 4y ago
  No macOS is a horrible developer platform in general. The only thing that makes it remotely viable is the tireless efforts of the Homebrew project. I can't imagine thinking macOS is a good programmer OS
  - eddieroger 4y ago
    I can't imagine not. Productivity on Windows is atrocious - I can't even launch an app without seeing an ad. And what is this Cortana and why does she want to help me so much? It works all ways. Let people like what they like. No one is forcing you to do anything on a Mac.
    - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
      windows is equally as bad if not worse for me than macos. in no way would I suggest you use that.
  - zamalek 4y ago
    Don't forget the first-party container runtime. Even Windows has one (or, er, three?). I am mostly responsible for maintaining our local development stack scripts, and Colima (to be clear, a heroic project) and MacOS are a continuous source of problems (full time problems when M1 first launched, down to at least 2-3 issues a month). I was helping a coworker with getting scripts working on Windows/WSL and how much effort was it? Download it and run it - no changes. How much effort was it when I migrated to Ubuntu (hurrah Intune for Linux)? All I had to do was disable Colima in our scripts. The GP comments throws shade at Windows. Honestly? Probably still a better developer platform than MacOS. Working on MacOS is full of not-work.
    - TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
      For lack of a better term, I've been a full-stack programmer for 27 years. I ran Linux on the desktop for 19 years. I've run MacOS for about 8 now. And, always, Windows, of course, because companies. I've developed extensively for PHP, VB, C, ASP, VB.NET, C#, some Python, a tiny bit of Java, and (my fave) Ruby on Rails. My main projects of the last 10 years use a large C# program which I compile to run on Mac, Linux, and Windows. So, I've been around the block. A couple times. I'm typing this from a Mac. When I've wanted a "container," I've used a real VM. I just installed Docker desktop last week for some new work in machine learning. YMMV. TACMA.
      - zamalek 4y ago
        > When I've wanted a "container," I've used a real VM. I mean, sure, that's great for you. Maybe you've just never visited a block where you can't reasonably use a VM to replace containers, such as a good amount of shops where local environments approximate production (i.e. containers). > I just installed Docker desktop last week All I can say is, "good luck!" DD is by far the worst container runtime for MacOS.
        DennisAleynikov 4y ago
        i've found some luck with OrbStack by kdrag0n
  - MissTake 4y ago
    How dare there be choices? I’m a developer - I do a huge amount of work on Sql Server and .Net. Unless I need to update some Sql Server CLR Procedures, all my development is done on my Mac using the Jetbrains suite or Azure Data Studio. So it obviously works for many of us. You do you, we’ll do us.
    - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
      no I know it works, I just got a m2 pro 32GB mac mini to do diffusion and GPT related stuff and found that all the apis are broken and the neural engine actually has no real support for any of the interesting generative ai programs yet. doing my best to port things over but having to rely on the free labor of homebrew developers is grating
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
rcme 4y ago
What makes it terrible?
- DennisAleynikov 4y ago
  It's like if Ubuntu locked you in a jail Only windows is worse
  - dmonitor 4y ago
    that’s still better than windows in my book
  - rcme 4y ago
    I guess I was hoping for a more concrete example.
    - DennisAleynikov 4y ago
      specifically the weird discrepancy when porting anything there, the lack of bootcamp support (used to be a thing). just feels kinda like iOS on the desktop give all of the restrictions. The universal codesigning and difficulty with making macos/ios apps unless you have a developer account and pay $100 is also a slap in the face. just gives off an unprofessional vibe. but to be honest I would never use windows for development either unless I'm only using WSL2
- nickstinemates 4y ago
  I have no issues with people who like it; it's not for me for a multitude of reasons. From system management and integration, lack of apps, being a walled garden etc. People call out the heroics of homebrew, but this problem exists on Windows - you can use chocolatey and whatnot in the same way. I have different gripes with Windows which are also mentioned here. Whereas with Apple products I feel like my freedom is suppressed, with Windows I feel Big-Brother like oppression. M1 Air is a great laptop. I love it for the battery life and weight. I only use it when traveling, specifically en-route when a traditional keyboard/mouse isn't viable. All of my development is still done on Linux even when using a local editor via VS Code Remote SSH support.
kstrauser 4y ago
looks around and waves hands at hundreds of thousands of Bay Area developers using Macs A Unix box with a nice UI? It's what I always wanted.
- TremendousJudge 4y ago
  what I don't understand is how it's seen as acceptable to pay several thousand dollars for a machine that is sold as a "full experience" and then relying on the work of some people outside Apple that build homebrew and make it actually usable for development
  - kstrauser 4y ago
    People outside Dell built Windows. People outside Microsoft built the components of WSL. There's not a laptop in existence where one party built everything I'd need on it.

glass3 4y ago

Can't other platforms use https://www.darlinghq.org/ https://www.darlinghq.org/ to run that MacOS application on Linux?

commoner 4y ago
Darling will hopefully one day support complex GUI applications, but it's not there yet. From https://www.darlinghq.org https://www.darlinghq.org: > Does it support GUI apps? > Almost! This took us a lot of time and effort, but we finally have basic experimental support for running simple graphical applications. From https://docs.darlinghq.org/known-nonfunctional-software.html https://docs.darlinghq.org/known-nonfunctional-software.html: > GUI applications will not work in Darling at this point in time, with very few exceptions. > Any complex GUI application in general will not work at this point in time - only simple "Hello World" type GUIs will work.