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I'm actually curious about this: if that's true, why do hospitals still do low-salt diets for critical heart disease patients?

xboxnolifes 4y ago
Because salt is fine for the normal person. Someone in the hospital with critical heart disease issues is not normal.
henry2023 4y ago
Bad habits are hard to break
- cactusplant7374 4y ago
  What if a diet high in salt is fine for healthy patients but dangerous for patients with heart disease? You can make the same argument for a diet high in sugar for healthy active individuals. It wouldn't be good for those with diabetes.
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    The difference is, a diet high in (refined) sugar is terrible for all humans, both healthy and unhealthy.
justinator 4y ago
Because if you are a critical heart patient, salt then can matter a lot. Unfortunately a lot of people suffer from being per-diabetic, which really just means, "you have diabetes, we don't want to say that because: denial" and a lot of guidelines used for "healthy" people don't apply to you, because you're not healthy.
- connicpu 4y ago
  Well there is one aspect where pre-diabetes differs from being fully diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes, and that's the fact that you're not at the point of no return. Pre-diabetics, if they make appropriate lifestyle changes, still have a chance at reversing course and not living with diabetes for the rest of their life.
  - frumper 4y ago
    Another aspect that differs is that pre-diabetics bodies are still functioning. They are closer to not being able to keep up, but if they couldn't, then they'd be diabetic.
    - justinator 4y ago
      True, but being tested correctly as "pre-diabetic" isn't so straightforward, as getting sugar/glucose levels at rest doesn't tell the whole story - ie: there's no such thing as having a mild case of diabetes. Take this with a grain of... of salt, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZBiTfIp4Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZBiTfIp4Q I think he makes a good point that the proper tests for diabetes is much more involved than what most people get prescribed, or what they will tolerate, as it can take the entire day. (he says a lot more - I'm not standing by everything he's saying) Easy access to almost over the counter and cheap continual glucose monitors may reveal better patterns to catch pre-diabetic symptoms faster (my hope).
  - justinator 4y ago
    I don't disagree with you, but being pre-dabetic is an uphill battle to then get healthy again, as you are most likely trying to reverse many years of lifestyle habits that have lead you down the road towards diabetes. A car crash in slow-motion. That takes an incredible amount of will power and I applaud anyone that's on that journey, especially since you have to go well against the status quo. I've at least heard that T2D is somewhat reversible given drastic diet changes, fasting, bariatric surgery - but a moon-shot for sure.
zaltekk 4y ago
You could be sued for doing something that was potentially considered unsafe by some studies. Business wise it's better to just "play it safe" here with low sodium meals.
- jeltz 4y ago
  Since they also do it in countries where lawsuits are not a risk you need to care about I doubt this is the reason.
chongli 4y ago
Salt is how your kidneys generate osmotic pressure to regulate the water levels in your blood. Critical heart disease patients are very sensitive to changes in blood pressure. Healthy people are much less so.
wutbrodo 4y ago
Hospitals and the medical system in general are always the last to get a memo about health. I wouldn't touch a good chunk of hospital meals with a ten-foot pole even when I'm in perfect health; the fact that any hospital is feeding patients shit like this[1][2][many such examples] borders on malpractice. [1] https://twitter.com/DrBenRodgers/status/1508084691269738503 https://twitter.com/DrBenRodgers/status/1508084691269738503 (someone having a diabetic emergency, no less!) [2] https://twitter.com/moreyraortho/status/1635779523651473409 https://twitter.com/moreyraortho/status/1635779523651473409
pdpi 4y ago
My understanding is that salt leading to high blood pressure is a problem that affects some people, but not all.

xboxnolifes 4y ago

Because salt is fine for the normal person. Someone in the hospital with critical heart disease issues is not normal.

henry2023 4y ago

Bad habits are hard to break

cactusplant7374 4y ago
What if a diet high in salt is fine for healthy patients but dangerous for patients with heart disease? You can make the same argument for a diet high in sugar for healthy active individuals. It wouldn't be good for those with diabetes.
- ashwagary 4y ago
  The difference is, a diet high in (refined) sugar is terrible for all humans, both healthy and unhealthy.

justinator 4y ago

Because if you are a critical heart patient, salt then can matter a lot. Unfortunately a lot of people suffer from being per-diabetic, which really just means, "you have diabetes, we don't want to say that because: denial" and a lot of guidelines used for "healthy" people don't apply to you, because you're not healthy.

connicpu 4y ago
Well there is one aspect where pre-diabetes differs from being fully diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes, and that's the fact that you're not at the point of no return. Pre-diabetics, if they make appropriate lifestyle changes, still have a chance at reversing course and not living with diabetes for the rest of their life.
- frumper 4y ago
  Another aspect that differs is that pre-diabetics bodies are still functioning. They are closer to not being able to keep up, but if they couldn't, then they'd be diabetic.
  - justinator 4y ago
    True, but being tested correctly as "pre-diabetic" isn't so straightforward, as getting sugar/glucose levels at rest doesn't tell the whole story - ie: there's no such thing as having a mild case of diabetes. Take this with a grain of... of salt, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZBiTfIp4Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZBiTfIp4Q I think he makes a good point that the proper tests for diabetes is much more involved than what most people get prescribed, or what they will tolerate, as it can take the entire day. (he says a lot more - I'm not standing by everything he's saying) Easy access to almost over the counter and cheap continual glucose monitors may reveal better patterns to catch pre-diabetic symptoms faster (my hope).
- justinator 4y ago
  I don't disagree with you, but being pre-dabetic is an uphill battle to then get healthy again, as you are most likely trying to reverse many years of lifestyle habits that have lead you down the road towards diabetes. A car crash in slow-motion. That takes an incredible amount of will power and I applaud anyone that's on that journey, especially since you have to go well against the status quo. I've at least heard that T2D is somewhat reversible given drastic diet changes, fasting, bariatric surgery - but a moon-shot for sure.

zaltekk 4y ago

You could be sued for doing something that was potentially considered unsafe by some studies. Business wise it's better to just "play it safe" here with low sodium meals.

jeltz 4y ago
Since they also do it in countries where lawsuits are not a risk you need to care about I doubt this is the reason.

chongli 4y ago

Salt is how your kidneys generate osmotic pressure to regulate the water levels in your blood. Critical heart disease patients are very sensitive to changes in blood pressure. Healthy people are much less so.

wutbrodo 4y ago

Hospitals and the medical system in general are always the last to get a memo about health. I wouldn't touch a good chunk of hospital meals with a ten-foot pole even when I'm in perfect health; the fact that any hospital is feeding patients shit like this[1][2][many such examples] borders on malpractice. [1] https://twitter.com/DrBenRodgers/status/1508084691269738503 https://twitter.com/DrBenRodgers/status/1508084691269738503 (someone having a diabetic emergency, no less!) [2] https://twitter.com/moreyraortho/status/1635779523651473409 https://twitter.com/moreyraortho/status/1635779523651473409

pdpi 4y ago

My understanding is that salt leading to high blood pressure is a problem that affects some people, but not all.