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Why didn't Docker ever offer managed container hosting? That seems like the obvious logical next step when you create a tool for easy deploys. Instead it's 2023

by rendaw 4y ago

Why didn't Docker ever offer managed container hosting? That seems like the obvious logical next step when you create a tool for easy deploys. Instead it's 2023 and we finally get that with Fly.io. I must be missing something obvious, because otherwise I feel like I'm going insane.

nickstinemates 4y ago
They did[1]. It was later shut down. 1: https://venturebeat.com/business/docker-acquires-container-deployment-startup-tutum/ https://venturebeat.com/business/docker-acquires-container-d...
- rendaw 4y ago
  Per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10425097 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10425097 > Tutum is not a real PaaS, it runs containers in the user infrastructure and can be easily adapted to run on-premise Which doesn't sound like managed container hosting to me. Their site is gone though so I'm not really sure. There was 0 discussion around their shutdown, if they did have a managed solution I'm curious why it failed. Too early?
  - nickstinemates 4y ago
    All references to it are redirects now, but here's a HN discussion on the topic[1]. Here's the content on the wayback machine[2] 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16665130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16665130 2: https://web.archive.org/web/20180328234733/https://docs.docker.com/docker-cloud/migration/ https://web.archive.org/web/20180328234733/https://docs.dock...
    - rendaw 4y ago
      Thanks for the link -- neither of those explain what Docker Cloud (nee Tutum) is but https://web.archive.org/web/20171003123425/https://docs.docker.com/docker-cloud/ https://web.archive.org/web/20171003123425/https://docs.dock... has a bit more info. > Docker Cloud provides ... tools to help you set up and manage host infrastructure additionally > When you use Docker Cloud to deploy nodes on a hosted provider, the service stores your cloud provider credentials and then deploys nodes for you using the services’ API to perform actions on your behalf. That sounds like not managed to me if you're managing the underlying infra, the IaaS, IAM connections, needing to watch host to container ratios, etc. but I guess host maintenance was limited to pressing a button to upgrade (with downtime) hosts at least.

by rendaw 4y ago

nickstinemates 4y ago

They did[1]. It was later shut down. 1: https://venturebeat.com/business/docker-acquires-container-deployment-startup-tutum/ https://venturebeat.com/business/docker-acquires-container-d...

rendaw 4y ago
Per https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10425097 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10425097 > Tutum is not a real PaaS, it runs containers in the user infrastructure and can be easily adapted to run on-premise Which doesn't sound like managed container hosting to me. Their site is gone though so I'm not really sure. There was 0 discussion around their shutdown, if they did have a managed solution I'm curious why it failed. Too early?
- nickstinemates 4y ago
  All references to it are redirects now, but here's a HN discussion on the topic[1]. Here's the content on the wayback machine[2] 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16665130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16665130 2: https://web.archive.org/web/20180328234733/https://docs.docker.com/docker-cloud/migration/ https://web.archive.org/web/20180328234733/https://docs.dock...
  - rendaw 4y ago
    Thanks for the link -- neither of those explain what Docker Cloud (nee Tutum) is but https://web.archive.org/web/20171003123425/https://docs.docker.com/docker-cloud/ https://web.archive.org/web/20171003123425/https://docs.dock... has a bit more info. > Docker Cloud provides ... tools to help you set up and manage host infrastructure additionally > When you use Docker Cloud to deploy nodes on a hosted provider, the service stores your cloud provider credentials and then deploys nodes for you using the services’ API to perform actions on your behalf. That sounds like not managed to me if you're managing the underlying infra, the IaaS, IAM connections, needing to watch host to container ratios, etc. but I guess host maintenance was limited to pressing a button to upgrade (with downtime) hosts at least.