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> immigration sentiment in the Midlands Like it or not, UK needs (skilled & semi-skilled) immigrants. There are jobs which the citizens do not want to do but s

> immigration sentiment in the Midlands Like it or not, UK needs (skilled & semi-skilled) immigrants. There are jobs which the citizens do not want to do but still expect world-class, low-cost services. This is where semi-skilled people which used to come from Europe stopped after the brexit. To fund the welfare system, NHS, old-age care, the govt needs money. This is where high tax paying, skilled immigrants come in. The govt is not doing much to attract the relevant people (unlike Germany, Canada for example)

bbg2401 4y ago
> There are jobs which the citizens do not want to do Do you have a shred of evidence to support this?
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- devnull3 4y ago
  Construction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPGe6HQlZI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPGe6HQlZI Hotels,pubs,etc: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/british-people-justdont-want-jobs-will-happen-restaurant-industry/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/british-... Documentary: Britain's Unemployment Crisis | A Very British Job Agency | Channel 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVH6pgKyZvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVH6pgKyZvE Taxis/Uber (anecdotal): I rarely see proper english uber drivers.
pseudo0 4y ago
The primary beneficiaries of those low-cost services seem to be the upper deciles, while the indirect harm hits the lower stratas of society. And the net benefit seems entirely unclear, especially when the long-term pension and benefits obligations for immigrants are taken into account. For example, let's say immigration reduces the cost of housekeeping services from $20 per hour to $15 per hour. That's great for an upper-middle class person who saves a bit of their weekly cleaning bill, but a lower-middle class person saves nothing, because they clean their own house. And the people who were displaced from that semi-skilled industry are now likely looking for jobs in other semi-skilled industries, depressing wages across those classes of jobs. And of course immigration also contributes to rent inflation and increases in the cost of real estate, which primarily benefits those with significant capital in real estate (again, disproportionately the very wealthy) while driving down disposable income for everyone else.
- devnull3 4y ago
  > The primary beneficiaries of those low-cost services seem to be the upper deciles Not necessary. For example, NHS is used by a large cross-section of the society. Another example are council services like picking up garbage. You will notice there is a substantial deterioration in these services. > semi-skilled industry are now likely looking for jobs in other semi-skilled industries There is a massive shortage of labour in hotels, farms, construction > rent inflation and increases in the cost of real estate Yes it does. But this is because of lack of housing supply. Govt is missing new housing targets every year since 2001 [1]. The focus should be to increase the pie instead of being a zero-sum game. The right migrants help you achieve this. Also, the UK's birth rate is below replacement level [2] and with life expectancy high, UK will increasingly need more tax payers to fund the current standard of living . [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61407508 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61407508 [2] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

bbg2401 4y ago

> There are jobs which the citizens do not want to do Do you have a shred of evidence to support this?

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devnull3 4y ago
Construction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPGe6HQlZI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPGe6HQlZI Hotels,pubs,etc: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/british-people-justdont-want-jobs-will-happen-restaurant-industry/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/british-... Documentary: Britain's Unemployment Crisis | A Very British Job Agency | Channel 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVH6pgKyZvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVH6pgKyZvE Taxis/Uber (anecdotal): I rarely see proper english uber drivers.

pseudo0 4y ago

The primary beneficiaries of those low-cost services seem to be the upper deciles, while the indirect harm hits the lower stratas of society. And the net benefit seems entirely unclear, especially when the long-term pension and benefits obligations for immigrants are taken into account. For example, let's say immigration reduces the cost of housekeeping services from $20 per hour to $15 per hour. That's great for an upper-middle class person who saves a bit of their weekly cleaning bill, but a lower-middle class person saves nothing, because they clean their own house. And the people who were displaced from that semi-skilled industry are now likely looking for jobs in other semi-skilled industries, depressing wages across those classes of jobs. And of course immigration also contributes to rent inflation and increases in the cost of real estate, which primarily benefits those with significant capital in real estate (again, disproportionately the very wealthy) while driving down disposable income for everyone else.

devnull3 4y ago
> The primary beneficiaries of those low-cost services seem to be the upper deciles Not necessary. For example, NHS is used by a large cross-section of the society. Another example are council services like picking up garbage. You will notice there is a substantial deterioration in these services. > semi-skilled industry are now likely looking for jobs in other semi-skilled industries There is a massive shortage of labour in hotels, farms, construction > rent inflation and increases in the cost of real estate Yes it does. But this is because of lack of housing supply. Govt is missing new housing targets every year since 2001 [1]. The focus should be to increase the pie instead of being a zero-sum game. The right migrants help you achieve this. Also, the UK's birth rate is below replacement level [2] and with life expectancy high, UK will increasingly need more tax payers to fund the current standard of living . [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61407508 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/61407508 [2] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...