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Yes, ridiculous that this is allowed here, and I say this as a girl. @dang?

blahblah1234567 4y ago
The irony is that the same author, Emma Haslett, recently wrote an article about women facing increasing child-care costs. https://www.newstatesman.com/business/2023/03/childcare-costs-fail-mothers-economy-women?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1678288885-2 https://www.newstatesman.com/business/2023/03/childcare-cost... In her lefthand (main thread article): Denigrates men interested in technology jobs which pay well and are intellectually arduous to even learn let alone practice. In her righthand (article I link to above): Complains that women need more money for childcare. Gee, it's almost as though left-leaning journalists are trying to drive men and women apart. "Men, as a woman, I tell you: You're terrible! Now go fund women's lifestyles, we need your money!"
- joseph_grobbles 4y ago
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- smcl 4y ago
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GlacierFox 4y ago
Ridiculous that the phrase 'tech bro' is allowed here? Why wouldn't it be allowed here? It's ridiculous the things people try and censor...
- blahblah1234567 4y ago
  No, it's the non-Maoist stuff that dang & HN mods censor. If you call out neon hair safe space ("leftist") hypocrisy... your comment is flagged within minutes.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
    Lately, my response to calls to censor 'this one thing' is 'ban everything' and skip all the baby steps. At least then people will immediately realize what is actually bad about word prohibition.
  - bigbillheck 4y ago
    Can you give examples of Maoist posting on HN? By which I mean actual Maoism, not just general leftism.
- meghan_rain 4y ago
  Why should it be allowed? It discriminated based on gender. Or are you ok with that when it's against men?
  - Colex 4y ago
    It would take me a huge mental effort to read "tech bros" as a discrimination based on gender - and I'm a man. They are talking about a few selected guys and decided to call them as tech bros - it's not calling for discrimination against men. No need to take it further, censor, ban. (Note: I don't care if it's "tech bro" or "tech gal" - not everything is about indoctrination)
    - meghan_rain 4y ago
      It should simply be "tech person". There are female founders, too.
      - xdennis 4y ago
        But that removes the meaning of "bro". It should be "tech sibling". Of course, "bro" is short for "brother" so maybe the best solution would be "tech sib".
      - Merad 4y ago
        "Tech bro" isn't just a generic reference to tech founders. It refers to a particular negative stereotype of a person, usually male, who works in tech and subscribes to "bro culture." Bro culture itself usually comes from fraternity culture (as in "frat bro") and it's often associated with misogynist beliefs.
        meghan_rain 4y ago
        This is literally like saying "If refers to a particular negative stereotype of a person, usually from a poor neighbour hood, usually black, usually without a father" and ascribing any kind of prejudice to it. Is this seriously the kind of discussion you want to be having?
foldr 4y ago
It's in the title of the article. HN guidelines for comments presumably don't apply to articles. (It wouldn't be good for me to call another HNer a 'tech bro', but we can discuss an article that uses the phrase, no?)
yeahsure22 4y ago
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- anon291 4y ago
  Tech bros are not just white brah; why do you assume that?
- blahblah1234567 4y ago
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  - dang 4y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamewar comments and using HN primarily for ideological battle. Those things aren't what this site is for, and destroy what it is for. We ban accounts that do this (yes, regardless of which ideology you are battling for or against). Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- xdennis 4y ago
  > I think cis white males This article is literally about Peter Thiel, who is gay, not cis.
  - lkbm 4y ago
    I don't want to weigh in on this debate in general, but just to clarify terminology: "Gay" is orthogonal to "cis". "Cis" is short for "cisgendered", meaning "not transgendered". "Cishet" (cisgendered + heterosexual) is used to combine the two axes, which may be what led to the confusion.
  - kentm 4y ago
    Gay people can be cis. Cis describes gender identity vs biological sex not sexuality.

The irony is that the same author, Emma Haslett, recently wrote an article about women facing increasing child-care costs. https://www.newstatesman.com/business/2023/03/childcare-costs-fail-mothers-economy-women?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1678288885-2 https://www.newstatesman.com/business/2023/03/childcare-cost... In her lefthand (main thread article): Denigrates men interested in technology jobs which pay well and are intellectually arduous to even learn let alone practice. In her righthand (article I link to above): Complains that women need more money for childcare. Gee, it's almost as though left-leaning journalists are trying to drive men and women apart. "Men, as a woman, I tell you: You're terrible! Now go fund women's lifestyles, we need your money!"

joseph_grobbles 4y ago
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smcl 4y ago
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GlacierFox 4y ago

Ridiculous that the phrase 'tech bro' is allowed here? Why wouldn't it be allowed here? It's ridiculous the things people try and censor...

blahblah1234567 4y ago
No, it's the non-Maoist stuff that dang & HN mods censor. If you call out neon hair safe space ("leftist") hypocrisy... your comment is flagged within minutes.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  Lately, my response to calls to censor 'this one thing' is 'ban everything' and skip all the baby steps. At least then people will immediately realize what is actually bad about word prohibition.
- bigbillheck 4y ago
  Can you give examples of Maoist posting on HN? By which I mean actual Maoism, not just general leftism.
meghan_rain 4y ago
Why should it be allowed? It discriminated based on gender. Or are you ok with that when it's against men?
- Colex 4y ago
  It would take me a huge mental effort to read "tech bros" as a discrimination based on gender - and I'm a man. They are talking about a few selected guys and decided to call them as tech bros - it's not calling for discrimination against men. No need to take it further, censor, ban. (Note: I don't care if it's "tech bro" or "tech gal" - not everything is about indoctrination)
  - meghan_rain 4y ago
    It should simply be "tech person". There are female founders, too.
    - xdennis 4y ago
      But that removes the meaning of "bro". It should be "tech sibling". Of course, "bro" is short for "brother" so maybe the best solution would be "tech sib".
    - Merad 4y ago
      "Tech bro" isn't just a generic reference to tech founders. It refers to a particular negative stereotype of a person, usually male, who works in tech and subscribes to "bro culture." Bro culture itself usually comes from fraternity culture (as in "frat bro") and it's often associated with misogynist beliefs.
      - meghan_rain 4y ago
        This is literally like saying "If refers to a particular negative stereotype of a person, usually from a poor neighbour hood, usually black, usually without a father" and ascribing any kind of prejudice to it. Is this seriously the kind of discussion you want to be having?

foldr 4y ago

It's in the title of the article. HN guidelines for comments presumably don't apply to articles. (It wouldn't be good for me to call another HNer a 'tech bro', but we can discuss an article that uses the phrase, no?)

yeahsure22 4y ago

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anon291 4y ago
Tech bros are not just white brah; why do you assume that?
blahblah1234567 4y ago
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- dang 4y ago
  We've banned this account for repeatedly posting flamewar comments and using HN primarily for ideological battle. Those things aren't what this site is for, and destroy what it is for. We ban accounts that do this (yes, regardless of which ideology you are battling for or against). Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
xdennis 4y ago
> I think cis white males This article is literally about Peter Thiel, who is gay, not cis.
- lkbm 4y ago
  I don't want to weigh in on this debate in general, but just to clarify terminology: "Gay" is orthogonal to "cis". "Cis" is short for "cisgendered", meaning "not transgendered". "Cishet" (cisgendered + heterosexual) is used to combine the two axes, which may be what led to the confusion.
- kentm 4y ago
  Gay people can be cis. Cis describes gender identity vs biological sex not sexuality.