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I purposefully put furniture because it can be a utilitarian box, or a custom carpentry art piece. Why is your brother art more valuable than a custom table? Or

I purposefully put furniture because it can be a utilitarian box, or a custom carpentry art piece. Why is your brother art more valuable than a custom table? Or a delicious dish? Or the portrait I buy from the street artist that cannot rent-seek from it? With the best intention, it seems you are biased because we are talking about your brother's lifehood (but I'm still happy to discuss politely). > IP protections are what incentives a portion of humanity to do something crazy like go to art school Hard disagree, most of the art fields are first a passion and then a profession. People who go to art school is normally because they love it so much that they cannot imagine themselves doing something else, even though they already know it pays little. I've never ever heard of someone going to art school "because of IP protections". One of the reasons it's so hard to make money is because there's many people doing it as a hobby that are already great at it, and so would jump at the chance of getting some money for it, leaving people who want to make livable wages outcompeted. Which is fine, this way society as a whole benefits greatly, sure it's unfortunate there are no more people living off it, but in exchange there are many, many amateurs experimenting and doing art, and from time to time one finds a formula that allows them to live off it (or "shills" to corporate).

0dayz 4y ago
> purposefully put furniture because it can be a utilitarian box, or a custom carpentry art piece. Why is your brother art more valuable than a custom table? Or a delicious dish? Or the portrait I buy from the street artist that cannot rent-seek from it? With the best intention, it seems you are biased because we are talking about your brother's lifehood (but I'm still happy to discuss politely). I really didn't get any vibe of bias from them. Either way, it seems you miss their point entirely, which is that you cannot equate a creative idea as the same as a product. The furniture example all boils down to if the work is allowed by the author to be mass produced (if it even can be done) but the creative idea is still theirs. >I've never ever heard of someone going to art school "because of IP protections". Similar with my first point you misunderstood their point. Their point is that thanks to ip protection they can invest the time needed to become a successful artist within their lifetime.
- franciscop 4y ago
  Oh the bit I found seemed biased is this: > "He should be able to at least provide for his kids college after his death if his IP still has value in the marketplace." Why should he, besides because that's a good desire for a family member? If it was a 3rd party wanting this, usually we'd call that rent-seeking behavior and it's usually seen negatively. > But the creative idea is still theirs Why is this (besides copyright law ofc)? The carpenter doesn't forbid me from creating a similar chair of him, and if we are talking about a painting and e.g. I was learning I could definitely copy it for learning purposes and everyone would be fine with that, so at which point should it "not be okay" to copy it? To lend to a friend in private? Can I share (in person, no copies) to a group of friends? I bought a painting, can I print it on a t-shirt for myself? What I can do after I purchase a copy of the idea in private should not be up to the author IMHO, and that line is often very blurry.
  - 0dayz 4y ago
    It's very simple. Technically as long as you don't sell a product that is a copy, you are "fine" to have said product. However if you do sell it, it would incentivize a parasitic market. Something you see sometimes in open source software, esp with IaaS.

0dayz 4y ago

> purposefully put furniture because it can be a utilitarian box, or a custom carpentry art piece. Why is your brother art more valuable than a custom table? Or a delicious dish? Or the portrait I buy from the street artist that cannot rent-seek from it? With the best intention, it seems you are biased because we are talking about your brother's lifehood (but I'm still happy to discuss politely). I really didn't get any vibe of bias from them. Either way, it seems you miss their point entirely, which is that you cannot equate a creative idea as the same as a product. The furniture example all boils down to if the work is allowed by the author to be mass produced (if it even can be done) but the creative idea is still theirs. >I've never ever heard of someone going to art school "because of IP protections". Similar with my first point you misunderstood their point. Their point is that thanks to ip protection they can invest the time needed to become a successful artist within their lifetime.

franciscop 4y ago
Oh the bit I found seemed biased is this: > "He should be able to at least provide for his kids college after his death if his IP still has value in the marketplace." Why should he, besides because that's a good desire for a family member? If it was a 3rd party wanting this, usually we'd call that rent-seeking behavior and it's usually seen negatively. > But the creative idea is still theirs Why is this (besides copyright law ofc)? The carpenter doesn't forbid me from creating a similar chair of him, and if we are talking about a painting and e.g. I was learning I could definitely copy it for learning purposes and everyone would be fine with that, so at which point should it "not be okay" to copy it? To lend to a friend in private? Can I share (in person, no copies) to a group of friends? I bought a painting, can I print it on a t-shirt for myself? What I can do after I purchase a copy of the idea in private should not be up to the author IMHO, and that line is often very blurry.
- 0dayz 4y ago
  It's very simple. Technically as long as you don't sell a product that is a copy, you are "fine" to have said product. However if you do sell it, it would incentivize a parasitic market. Something you see sometimes in open source software, esp with IaaS.