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We want it to answer truthfully and impartially I.e. not showing favoritism to leftist talking points and politicians, and artificially censoring talk of right

We want it to answer truthfully and impartially I.e. not showing favoritism to leftist talking points and politicians, and artificially censoring talk of right wing ideas. It's really not complicated.

pickovven 4y ago
I honestly can't tell if this reply is satire.
darthrupert 4y ago
Are you saying that they built a module in ChatGPT code that specifically censors right wing ideas? Or do you mean that reality (= all the data it has ingested as its training data) has a well-known liberal bias?
- realjhol 4y ago
  > Are you saying that they built a module in ChatGPT code that specifically censors right wing ideas? Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. For example: "ChatGPT Declines Request for Poem Admiring Trump, But Biden Query Is Successful" https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chatgpt-trump-admiring-poem/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chatgpt-trump-admiring-poe... Dozens of similar examples have been found
  - darthrupert 4y ago
    You should be happy to hear that GPT-4 no longer has at least the problems depicted in the snopes.com article. It effortlessly gave me a poem praising Trump. It didn't give me a poem admiring Hitler, though, so I guess some bias remains.
    - realjhol 4y ago
      What does Hitler have to do with anything?
      - nickthegreek 4y ago
        It's an artificial censor which I thought you were against.
        realjhol 4y ago
        ...you don't know anything about what I am against. It's about politics, not censorship - politics is about rewarding friends and punishing enemies. I guess it's not surprising that ChatGPT would be immediately politicised - there's really nothing that liberals are not willing to do to spite the deplorables. It's just the way I was brought up. I'm still always tempting to believe in the myth of neutral institutions. Even though this clearly no longer exists anywhere any more (- if it ever even did in the first place), it's still surprising to see these games being played out each time.
      - darthrupert 4y ago
        Oh ok. So you just want it to say what you believe is right and not say what somebody else believes is right. I suppose this was clear at the start of the discussion, but it's always nice to be certain.
        realjhol 4y ago
        If you would like ChatGPT to talk about the mid-century Germans, it would be consistent if you support free speech. I tend towards free speech, but I'm also a realist - the boundaries of speech are ultimately decided by power. It's no surprised then that Silicon Valley Leftists wish to use their power to surpress the deplorables who they despise. Lumping those people together with Hitler simply serves as a convenient fig-leaf for this activity.
        darthrupert 4y ago
        That's an excellent goal, certainly. I just think that purely from a technical standpoint, allowing a bot to praise Hitler, Trump or Stalin are pretty much the same thing, as the undesirable parts of their policies are about the same. They were all into populism, nationalism, authoritarianism, propaganda and a cult of personality -- how could an LLM tell these people apart by just analysing the raw data?

pickovven 4y ago

I honestly can't tell if this reply is satire.

darthrupert 4y ago

Are you saying that they built a module in ChatGPT code that specifically censors right wing ideas? Or do you mean that reality (= all the data it has ingested as its training data) has a well-known liberal bias?

realjhol 4y ago
> Are you saying that they built a module in ChatGPT code that specifically censors right wing ideas? Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. For example: "ChatGPT Declines Request for Poem Admiring Trump, But Biden Query Is Successful" https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chatgpt-trump-admiring-poem/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chatgpt-trump-admiring-poe... Dozens of similar examples have been found
- darthrupert 4y ago
  You should be happy to hear that GPT-4 no longer has at least the problems depicted in the snopes.com article. It effortlessly gave me a poem praising Trump. It didn't give me a poem admiring Hitler, though, so I guess some bias remains.
  - realjhol 4y ago
    What does Hitler have to do with anything?
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      It's an artificial censor which I thought you were against.
      - realjhol 4y ago
        ...you don't know anything about what I am against. It's about politics, not censorship - politics is about rewarding friends and punishing enemies. I guess it's not surprising that ChatGPT would be immediately politicised - there's really nothing that liberals are not willing to do to spite the deplorables. It's just the way I was brought up. I'm still always tempting to believe in the myth of neutral institutions. Even though this clearly no longer exists anywhere any more (- if it ever even did in the first place), it's still surprising to see these games being played out each time.
    - darthrupert 4y ago
      Oh ok. So you just want it to say what you believe is right and not say what somebody else believes is right. I suppose this was clear at the start of the discussion, but it's always nice to be certain.
      - realjhol 4y ago
        If you would like ChatGPT to talk about the mid-century Germans, it would be consistent if you support free speech. I tend towards free speech, but I'm also a realist - the boundaries of speech are ultimately decided by power. It's no surprised then that Silicon Valley Leftists wish to use their power to surpress the deplorables who they despise. Lumping those people together with Hitler simply serves as a convenient fig-leaf for this activity.
        darthrupert 4y ago
        That's an excellent goal, certainly. I just think that purely from a technical standpoint, allowing a bot to praise Hitler, Trump or Stalin are pretty much the same thing, as the undesirable parts of their policies are about the same. They were all into populism, nationalism, authoritarianism, propaganda and a cult of personality -- how could an LLM tell these people apart by just analysing the raw data?