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I had a bottle of this stuff I recently hazmatted. Someone gave it to me from the 80's. They used to sell solvents to the electronics industry...then the CFC/

by Ccecil 4y ago

I had a bottle of this stuff I recently hazmatted. Someone gave it to me from the 80's. They used to sell solvents to the electronics industry...then the CFC/Ozone regulations caused them to require to shut down. He has stories about mixing TCE and Freon...55 gallon drums of it. As far as I know he doesn't have Parkinsons but that doesn't mean anything. Apparently, this stuff was great for cleaning electronics PCBs but clearly it is super bad for you. I am not sure how you could slightly smell it and not realize it...has a very strong "I cause cancer" smell to it.

LinuxBender 4y ago
has a very strong "I cause cancer" smell to it I second this. I used it to clean electronic systems in the military and they did not really give much training on this chemical which surprised me as they trained extensively on much less dangerous chemicals. Some of my team members liked inhaling the fumes.
sbradford26 4y ago
IBM had to do a massive cleanup of the stuff at their original site in Endicott NY where they made PCBs. The locals call it the plume, apparently IBM just dumped Trichloroethylene as well as other chemicals on the ground for years in some of their buildings. Timeline of events: https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/2016/05/20/timeline-endicotts-tce-dilemma/84566228/ https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/2016/05/20/ti... EPA Source: https://www.epa.gov/hwcorrectiveactioncleanups/hazardous-waste-cleanup-ibm-corporation-endicott-new-york https://www.epa.gov/hwcorrectiveactioncleanups/hazardous-was...
userbinator 4y ago
I am not sure how you could slightly smell it and not realize it...has a very strong "I cause cancer" smell to it. Keep in mind that many people still deliberately inhale the products of combustion of tobacco. I don't smoke, but most chlorocarbons smell good --- clean and slightly sweet is how I'd describe the fragrance.
- Maursault 4y ago
  Tobacco companies dump over 300 carcinogenic chemicals into cigarettes, called additives, to make them more addictive, and which make up half of nearly all cigarettes.[1] That is what kills people, smoking carcinogenic chemicals. Unadulterated tobacco, such as what pipe smokers use, does not actually cause cancer, yet it shouldn't surprise us why cigarette smokers die in droves. The American Lung Associate did not discriminate: tobacco is bad! Yet all of this information came out during the late 1990's, lawsuit, US v. Philip Morris, and yet the settlement permitted tobacco companies to continue the practice of poisoning cigarettes. Half of the $200B+ settlement was forgiven by the mid-2000s. But the US Surgeon General had different findings, and the only conclusion that we can make is that it is not tobacco that kills, only cigarettes: Death rates for current pipe smokers were little if at all higher than for non-smokers, even with men smoking 10 pipefuls per day and with men who had smoked pipes for more than 30 years.[2] Among the pipe smokers.... The US mortality ratios are 0.8 for non-inhalers and 1.0 for inhalers.[3] Smoking actual tobacco can cause emphysema, not cancer. But most commercial tobacco is intentionally poisoned to increase the addictiveness of nicotine, and the result is cancer. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdV_1u-TodY&t=13m25s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdV_1u-TodY&t=13m25s [2] https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/tobacco/nnbbmq.pdf https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/tobacco/nnbbmq.pdf (No. 1103, p.112) [3] ibid. (No. 1103, page 92)
  - adrianN 4y ago
    I somehow doubt the result that pure tobacco doesn't cause cancer, since afaik inhaling any type of smoke causes cancer.
    - Maursault 4y ago
      > inhaling any type of smoke causes cancer Citation needed by all pot smokers. Just love how everyone insists they know absolutely everything and are never wrong. Guess what?
  - gorkish 4y ago
    With all due respect, the citations aren't helping your preposterous argument.
ekianjo 4y ago
radiations cause cancer and dont smell at all.

by Ccecil 4y ago

LinuxBender 4y ago

has a very strong "I cause cancer" smell to it I second this. I used it to clean electronic systems in the military and they did not really give much training on this chemical which surprised me as they trained extensively on much less dangerous chemicals. Some of my team members liked inhaling the fumes.

sbradford26 4y ago

IBM had to do a massive cleanup of the stuff at their original site in Endicott NY where they made PCBs. The locals call it the plume, apparently IBM just dumped Trichloroethylene as well as other chemicals on the ground for years in some of their buildings. Timeline of events: https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/2016/05/20/timeline-endicotts-tce-dilemma/84566228/ https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/2016/05/20/ti... EPA Source: https://www.epa.gov/hwcorrectiveactioncleanups/hazardous-waste-cleanup-ibm-corporation-endicott-new-york https://www.epa.gov/hwcorrectiveactioncleanups/hazardous-was...

userbinator 4y ago

I am not sure how you could slightly smell it and not realize it...has a very strong "I cause cancer" smell to it. Keep in mind that many people still deliberately inhale the products of combustion of tobacco. I don't smoke, but most chlorocarbons smell good --- clean and slightly sweet is how I'd describe the fragrance.

Maursault 4y ago
Tobacco companies dump over 300 carcinogenic chemicals into cigarettes, called additives, to make them more addictive, and which make up half of nearly all cigarettes.[1] That is what kills people, smoking carcinogenic chemicals. Unadulterated tobacco, such as what pipe smokers use, does not actually cause cancer, yet it shouldn't surprise us why cigarette smokers die in droves. The American Lung Associate did not discriminate: tobacco is bad! Yet all of this information came out during the late 1990's, lawsuit, US v. Philip Morris, and yet the settlement permitted tobacco companies to continue the practice of poisoning cigarettes. Half of the $200B+ settlement was forgiven by the mid-2000s. But the US Surgeon General had different findings, and the only conclusion that we can make is that it is not tobacco that kills, only cigarettes: Death rates for current pipe smokers were little if at all higher than for non-smokers, even with men smoking 10 pipefuls per day and with men who had smoked pipes for more than 30 years.[2] Among the pipe smokers.... The US mortality ratios are 0.8 for non-inhalers and 1.0 for inhalers.[3] Smoking actual tobacco can cause emphysema, not cancer. But most commercial tobacco is intentionally poisoned to increase the addictiveness of nicotine, and the result is cancer. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdV_1u-TodY&t=13m25s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdV_1u-TodY&t=13m25s [2] https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/tobacco/nnbbmq.pdf https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/tobacco/nnbbmq.pdf (No. 1103, p.112) [3] ibid. (No. 1103, page 92)
- adrianN 4y ago
  I somehow doubt the result that pure tobacco doesn't cause cancer, since afaik inhaling any type of smoke causes cancer.
  - Maursault 4y ago
    > inhaling any type of smoke causes cancer Citation needed by all pot smokers. Just love how everyone insists they know absolutely everything and are never wrong. Guess what?
- gorkish 4y ago
  With all due respect, the citations aren't helping your preposterous argument.

ekianjo 4y ago

radiations cause cancer and dont smell at all.