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We have a bubble in SWE hiring in the USA, it peaked in July 2021 at 220% of normal hiring! https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2023/03/was-there-a-tech-hiring-bub

We have a bubble in SWE hiring in the USA, it peaked in July 2021 at 220% of normal hiring! https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2023/03/was-there-a-tech-hiring-bubble/ https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2023/03/was-there-a-tech-hir... It makes no sense to keep all the unemployed H1Bs since they usually are laid off as a last resort due to the impact it will have on their lives. Since they often get favoritism in layoffs, why favor them even more? I know many American Citizens for example a Chinese-born and naturalized guy who said in 2009 he was laid off first in a team of 18 Chinese H1Bs because the rest of the team "would have to go home!" He was not just good he was an authority on OSPF - I hired him for my startup in 2003. In 2011 he went back to Cisco in the same division at an architect (even higher) rank ...

platzhirsch 4y ago
There is a cap on H1-B every year (65k), however the majority of H1-B holders has been here for years: over 600k. On top of that, you couldn't even get a visa in 2021 to enter the US because of the COVID-19 restrictions that were only loosened at the end of 2021.
throw93 4y ago
> due to the impact it will have on their lives The impact being to sell your house, car and other belongings, often for pennies and uproot your children who have only known US as their home. It's insanely cruel to want to immediately deport H1B holders who have been paying taxes for 10-15 years. And all this because Wall Street thought the profits were not high enough. > Since they often get favoritism in layoffs, why favor them even more? How is it a favor to give someone more time to search for jobs? That's just being considerate. > he was laid off first in a team of 18 Chinese H1Bs because the rest of the team The evidence you gave is anecdotal. Many H1b workers were laid off during recent layoffs and scrambling to find a job in couple of weeks just to stay in the country. Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/tech-layoffs-hit-h1b-visa-workers-hard-ca03c2cd https://www.wsj.com/articles/tech-layoffs-hit-h1b-visa-worke...
- refurb 4y ago
  You cant be on an H1-B for 10-15 years. It’s capped at two 3 year visas. And its a temporary work visa program. People know that when they sign up. I agree they should be give a period of time to find a new job, but when you get an H1-B visa it’s explicit that it’s temporary.
  - whatever1 4y ago
    You are not a lawyer. You are also wrong. People with green card applications are stuck for more than 10 years in visa status. https://isss.temple.edu/faculty-staff-and-researchers/international-employees/h-1b-applicants/special-h-1b-status-beyond-six-years https://isss.temple.edu/faculty-staff-and-researchers/intern...
    - refurb 4y ago
      A green card isnt an H1-B and if you lose your job with a green card you dont have to leave the US. You dont even have to leave after your I-140 is approved, before the I-485 is approved. You didnt even read your own link. Have you been through the H1-B process? I have.
      - whatever1 4y ago
        ok let’s try in small chunks see if you will understand. “AC21 § 106(a): Labor cert or I-140 filed a year or more ago Under AC21 § 106, an H-1B nonimmigrant can receive H-1B status beyond the six-year maximum, in one-year increments, if 365 days or more have passed since either an application for Alien Labor Certification (Form ETA 750A-B or ETA 9089) or a petition for immigrant worker (Form I-140) has been filed on the alien's behalf. The priority date in an employment-based case is the date that a labor certification application was first filed, or, for those categories exempt from the labor certification requirement, the date on which an employment-based preference petition (I-140) was filed with USCIS. Since that same date is also the referent to eligibility for this benefit, knowing the alien's priority date is a convenient way of tracking eligibility for H-1B extensions beyond 6 years. H-1B status under this provision may be granted in one-year increments until the labor certification or I-140 is denied. If the labor certification or I-140 is approved, the individual can continue obtaining 1-year extensions thereafter, until an adjustment of status or immigrant visa application is either denied or approved.” Do you understand the meaning of these paragraphs? Or do you need further help?
diebeforei485 4y ago
> they usually are laid off as a last resort due to the impact it will have on their lives If we reduce the impact (180 days is plenty time for the kids to finish the school semester, for the house or car sale to close, etc), there will no longer be an incentive to consider immigration status when laying people off.
bmitc 4y ago
Do you personally know any H-1Bs? Because this is a rather heartless take and shows ignorance of the hardships these people and their friends and family go through.
whatever1 4y ago
Respectfully, but you have no clue what you are talking about. Go talk to someone who is on h1b before making assumptions. The vast majority are Chinese and Indian family people, many of them with US citizen children, stuck for decades in the green card application queue of a broken immigration system. How can one call this favoritism?

platzhirsch 4y ago

There is a cap on H1-B every year (65k), however the majority of H1-B holders has been here for years: over 600k. On top of that, you couldn't even get a visa in 2021 to enter the US because of the COVID-19 restrictions that were only loosened at the end of 2021.

throw93 4y ago

> due to the impact it will have on their lives The impact being to sell your house, car and other belongings, often for pennies and uproot your children who have only known US as their home. It's insanely cruel to want to immediately deport H1B holders who have been paying taxes for 10-15 years. And all this because Wall Street thought the profits were not high enough. > Since they often get favoritism in layoffs, why favor them even more? How is it a favor to give someone more time to search for jobs? That's just being considerate. > he was laid off first in a team of 18 Chinese H1Bs because the rest of the team The evidence you gave is anecdotal. Many H1b workers were laid off during recent layoffs and scrambling to find a job in couple of weeks just to stay in the country. Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/tech-layoffs-hit-h1b-visa-workers-hard-ca03c2cd https://www.wsj.com/articles/tech-layoffs-hit-h1b-visa-worke...

refurb 4y ago
You cant be on an H1-B for 10-15 years. It’s capped at two 3 year visas. And its a temporary work visa program. People know that when they sign up. I agree they should be give a period of time to find a new job, but when you get an H1-B visa it’s explicit that it’s temporary.
- whatever1 4y ago
  You are not a lawyer. You are also wrong. People with green card applications are stuck for more than 10 years in visa status. https://isss.temple.edu/faculty-staff-and-researchers/international-employees/h-1b-applicants/special-h-1b-status-beyond-six-years https://isss.temple.edu/faculty-staff-and-researchers/intern...
  - refurb 4y ago
    A green card isnt an H1-B and if you lose your job with a green card you dont have to leave the US. You dont even have to leave after your I-140 is approved, before the I-485 is approved. You didnt even read your own link. Have you been through the H1-B process? I have.
    - whatever1 4y ago
      ok let’s try in small chunks see if you will understand. “AC21 § 106(a): Labor cert or I-140 filed a year or more ago Under AC21 § 106, an H-1B nonimmigrant can receive H-1B status beyond the six-year maximum, in one-year increments, if 365 days or more have passed since either an application for Alien Labor Certification (Form ETA 750A-B or ETA 9089) or a petition for immigrant worker (Form I-140) has been filed on the alien's behalf. The priority date in an employment-based case is the date that a labor certification application was first filed, or, for those categories exempt from the labor certification requirement, the date on which an employment-based preference petition (I-140) was filed with USCIS. Since that same date is also the referent to eligibility for this benefit, knowing the alien's priority date is a convenient way of tracking eligibility for H-1B extensions beyond 6 years. H-1B status under this provision may be granted in one-year increments until the labor certification or I-140 is denied. If the labor certification or I-140 is approved, the individual can continue obtaining 1-year extensions thereafter, until an adjustment of status or immigrant visa application is either denied or approved.” Do you understand the meaning of these paragraphs? Or do you need further help?

diebeforei485 4y ago

> they usually are laid off as a last resort due to the impact it will have on their lives If we reduce the impact (180 days is plenty time for the kids to finish the school semester, for the house or car sale to close, etc), there will no longer be an incentive to consider immigration status when laying people off.

bmitc 4y ago

Do you personally know any H-1Bs? Because this is a rather heartless take and shows ignorance of the hardships these people and their friends and family go through.

whatever1 4y ago

Respectfully, but you have no clue what you are talking about. Go talk to someone who is on h1b before making assumptions. The vast majority are Chinese and Indian family people, many of them with US citizen children, stuck for decades in the green card application queue of a broken immigration system. How can one call this favoritism?