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No, only SVB and Signature enjoy infinity insurance. Everyone else that played by the rules gets a measly $250k max...

by Alupis 4y ago

fisherjeff 4y ago
https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bank-term-funding-program.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bank-term-fund...
- Alupis 4y ago
  That's a loan, not insurance. Not the same thing, and a bank in SVB's situation last week would not be able to pay back a loan anyway.
easton 4y ago
In writing yes, but the FDIC always makes depositors whole somehow. Otherwise the banking system would collapse. If some bizarre scenario were to happen (a failure of two of the big four) which the FDIC couldn’t recover, in the words of Dwight Schrute, “you’ve all been dead for weeks”.
- Alupis 4y ago
  > the FDIC always makes depositors whole somehow. Otherwise the banking system would collapse. When was the last time any of this happened?
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > but the FDIC always makes depositors whole somehow. This lie keeps getting repeated, but while it usually manages to do that (by facilitating a buyout, often before or over a business day – sometimes longer in calendar time because of a weekend – when the bank is closed), it doesn’t always, even when it facilitates a buyout rather than being forced to create a takeover bank. When it does takeover without facilitating a buyout, it never protects uninsured deposits without invoking the systemic risk exemption. > Otherwise the banking system would collapse. Well it does where the banking system would collapse, that’s literally the point of the systemic risk exception.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> No, only SVB and Signature enjoy infinity insurance. No, only the balances of SVB and Signature at the time of the failure of the former banks have that. There’s no prospective guarantee inheritable by an acquirer. (Admittedly, any bank that could reasonably bid for them, especially for SVB, would probably independently qualify for the systemic risk exception itself if it suddenly failed, but also any bank that could reasonably bid wouldn’t be in any near term risk of that, either.)
- Alupis 4y ago
  SVB may be called something different today, and probably something different in the near future, but we all know what we're talking about here. Like I said downstream - if my bank fails next year (or 10 years from now) and I do not get infinite deposit insurance - then where are we? Just the well connected get special treatment? Seems so...
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Like I said downstream - if my bank fails next year (or 10 years from now) and I do not get infinite deposit insurance - then where are we? In the exact same place we’ve been for the last 15 years (much longer, really, because the last crisis wasn’t the start of this, either), between the time the systemic risk exception was announced for three large banks, and all the bank failures in between where it was not invoked. A place where the FDIC guarantees $250K per depositor per ownership category per bank but tries to facilitate takeovers that protect uninsured balances and where, with the Treasury and President, might protect something more, if the conditions for the systemic risk exception are determined to apply. The systemic risk exception has existed since at least 1950, was invoked as far back as 1980, and was easier to invoke (the FDIC could do it on its own) prior to 1991. It was also less necessary prior to 1991, since the FDIC could facilitate a sale even when doing so was more expensive than a payout of only the insured accounts until the least cost rule was put into the law in 1991, and in fact, since the 1960s, the general policy was to, where possible, facilitate a buyout by another bank to protect all depositors even when the cost to the Deposit Insurance Fund was greater than a payout of insured balances. The arguments about the use of full-protection via the systemic risk exception for SVB fundamentally changing things is just, completely, historically ignorant.

No, only SVB and Signature enjoy infinity insurance. Everyone else that played by the rules gets a measly $250k max...

by Alupis 4y ago

No, only SVB and Signature enjoy infinity insurance. Everyone else that played by the rules gets a measly $250k max...

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bank-term-funding-program.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/bank-term-fund...

Alupis 4y ago
That's a loan, not insurance. Not the same thing, and a bank in SVB's situation last week would not be able to pay back a loan anyway.

easton 4y ago

In writing yes, but the FDIC always makes depositors whole somehow. Otherwise the banking system would collapse. If some bizarre scenario were to happen (a failure of two of the big four) which the FDIC couldn’t recover, in the words of Dwight Schrute, “you’ve all been dead for weeks”.

Alupis 4y ago
> the FDIC always makes depositors whole somehow. Otherwise the banking system would collapse. When was the last time any of this happened?
dragonwriter 4y ago
> but the FDIC always makes depositors whole somehow. This lie keeps getting repeated, but while it usually manages to do that (by facilitating a buyout, often before or over a business day – sometimes longer in calendar time because of a weekend – when the bank is closed), it doesn’t always, even when it facilitates a buyout rather than being forced to create a takeover bank. When it does takeover without facilitating a buyout, it never protects uninsured deposits without invoking the systemic risk exemption. > Otherwise the banking system would collapse. Well it does where the banking system would collapse, that’s literally the point of the systemic risk exception.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> No, only SVB and Signature enjoy infinity insurance. No, only the balances of SVB and Signature at the time of the failure of the former banks have that. There’s no prospective guarantee inheritable by an acquirer. (Admittedly, any bank that could reasonably bid for them, especially for SVB, would probably independently qualify for the systemic risk exception itself if it suddenly failed, but also any bank that could reasonably bid wouldn’t be in any near term risk of that, either.)

Alupis 4y ago
SVB may be called something different today, and probably something different in the near future, but we all know what we're talking about here. Like I said downstream - if my bank fails next year (or 10 years from now) and I do not get infinite deposit insurance - then where are we? Just the well connected get special treatment? Seems so...
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Like I said downstream - if my bank fails next year (or 10 years from now) and I do not get infinite deposit insurance - then where are we? In the exact same place we’ve been for the last 15 years (much longer, really, because the last crisis wasn’t the start of this, either), between the time the systemic risk exception was announced for three large banks, and all the bank failures in between where it was not invoked. A place where the FDIC guarantees $250K per depositor per ownership category per bank but tries to facilitate takeovers that protect uninsured balances and where, with the Treasury and President, might protect something more, if the conditions for the systemic risk exception are determined to apply. The systemic risk exception has existed since at least 1950, was invoked as far back as 1980, and was easier to invoke (the FDIC could do it on its own) prior to 1991. It was also less necessary prior to 1991, since the FDIC could facilitate a sale even when doing so was more expensive than a payout of only the insured accounts until the least cost rule was put into the law in 1991, and in fact, since the 1960s, the general policy was to, where possible, facilitate a buyout by another bank to protect all depositors even when the cost to the Deposit Insurance Fund was greater than a payout of insured balances. The arguments about the use of full-protection via the systemic risk exception for SVB fundamentally changing things is just, completely, historically ignorant.