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After playing around with Stable Diffusion for a while, I'm convinced that big media conglomerates like Disney and Warner Bros. Discovery are going to have a hu

After playing around with Stable Diffusion for a while, I'm convinced that big media conglomerates like Disney and Warner Bros. Discovery are going to have a huge advantage here because they're in a position to pipe absolutely massive media libraries into models that are big enough to legally become "copies" of the involved works. While some of the angry rhetoric from artists whose work has been used to train models may be overblown, it's far from a stretch to suppose that companies like OpenAI and Stability AI, if they were being sloppy, could overfit to copyrighted training data to the point that the models and some outputs are infringing. I suspect they're aware of this risk. For instance, the differences in consistency and detail between a batch of SD outputs using "American Gothic painting" vs. "Dark Side of the Moon album cover" are very striking; the former is reproduced with remarkable fidelity and consistency, while the latter was clearly observed but has a much more abstract relationship to its iconic source image. I don't think that difference is accidental; I think they went to some effort to ensure that only public domain images were so firmly encoded into the model. That sort of thing is not a problem for entities that own the involved copyrights or have a such a broad license that they might as well own them (and, even failing that, are in a strong position to demand such concessions from artists going forward).

CuriouslyC 4y ago
These technologies aren't really going to help big rights holders nearly as much as they're going to help small players and indies. Big rights holders already have efficient pipelines, automation and well tuned art departments. They can already crank out movies that are so effects laden as to be visually overloading non-stop. These tools might let them achieve similar or slightly better quality for less, but it's not going to fundamentally change anything. For example, if Avatar 2 VFX cost 200 million, maybe it'd come down to 20 million, but the other production costs would still be significant. On the other hand, small indies can now do respectable VFX without resorting to CGI, needing expensive makeup/props or green screens. They could film in a field with actors in Halloween costumes, then place them in locations built using simple geometry in blender, and then AI will texture, style and light everything, modulate voices, etc. It'll be a game changer in terms of the types of films people will be able to make at the <100k price point.
- ronsor 4y ago
  I think you're understating how much big movie companies would want to save $180 million on VFX
  - shagie 4y ago
    Disney Animator REACTS to AI Animation - https://youtu.be/xm7BwEsdVbQ https://youtu.be/xm7BwEsdVbQ This is Aaron Blaise ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Blaise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Blaise ) reacting to the Corridor Crew AI animation video. (please pardon the copy of the auto-transcribe) It concludes with: > in the entertainment industry the animation industry the expressiveness the ability to create new films and new ideas has exploded and as an end result has created actually more jobs and budgets have actually gone up if you look at the budgets now compared to what they were back in the 90s they're doubled > ... > it's something that people want to go to and laugh and cry and be scared and be moved and and learn something from those are the things that people are going to go and watch and um if you can do that then the technology will follow the technology will create new jobs I'll guarantee you I've seen it happen I've been I've been doing this for 35 years and I've seen it happen I've gone through it a couple of times > so at the end of the day do I think it's a threat? No I don't think it's a threat I think it's exciting I think it's really exciting so I'm just going to sit here I'm going to sit here and continue drawing on my hand-drawn animated short snow bear and I want you to go out embrace the technology embrace the things that are new see how you can express yourselves through them put some beauty back into the world and I'll talk to you next time thanks
aaron695 4y ago
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Aerroon 4y ago
Big media conglomerates might be able to pay to create enough art for their own models. Or at least figure out some scheme to do it, where the artists freely sign away this right. That model could then be licensed to others. A website like YouTube could probably do this for voice or sound generation, if they haven't already. Offer creators an extra 5% of ad revenue and in exchange they get to mine the video for data for AI. Or some other such benefit.

CuriouslyC 4y ago

These technologies aren't really going to help big rights holders nearly as much as they're going to help small players and indies. Big rights holders already have efficient pipelines, automation and well tuned art departments. They can already crank out movies that are so effects laden as to be visually overloading non-stop. These tools might let them achieve similar or slightly better quality for less, but it's not going to fundamentally change anything. For example, if Avatar 2 VFX cost 200 million, maybe it'd come down to 20 million, but the other production costs would still be significant. On the other hand, small indies can now do respectable VFX without resorting to CGI, needing expensive makeup/props or green screens. They could film in a field with actors in Halloween costumes, then place them in locations built using simple geometry in blender, and then AI will texture, style and light everything, modulate voices, etc. It'll be a game changer in terms of the types of films people will be able to make at the <100k price point.

ronsor 4y ago
I think you're understating how much big movie companies would want to save $180 million on VFX
- shagie 4y ago
  Disney Animator REACTS to AI Animation - https://youtu.be/xm7BwEsdVbQ https://youtu.be/xm7BwEsdVbQ This is Aaron Blaise ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Blaise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Blaise ) reacting to the Corridor Crew AI animation video. (please pardon the copy of the auto-transcribe) It concludes with: > in the entertainment industry the animation industry the expressiveness the ability to create new films and new ideas has exploded and as an end result has created actually more jobs and budgets have actually gone up if you look at the budgets now compared to what they were back in the 90s they're doubled > ... > it's something that people want to go to and laugh and cry and be scared and be moved and and learn something from those are the things that people are going to go and watch and um if you can do that then the technology will follow the technology will create new jobs I'll guarantee you I've seen it happen I've been I've been doing this for 35 years and I've seen it happen I've gone through it a couple of times > so at the end of the day do I think it's a threat? No I don't think it's a threat I think it's exciting I think it's really exciting so I'm just going to sit here I'm going to sit here and continue drawing on my hand-drawn animated short snow bear and I want you to go out embrace the technology embrace the things that are new see how you can express yourselves through them put some beauty back into the world and I'll talk to you next time thanks

aaron695 4y ago

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Aerroon 4y ago

Big media conglomerates might be able to pay to create enough art for their own models. Or at least figure out some scheme to do it, where the artists freely sign away this right. That model could then be licensed to others. A website like YouTube could probably do this for voice or sound generation, if they haven't already. Offer creators an extra 5% of ad revenue and in exchange they get to mine the video for data for AI. Or some other such benefit.