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There are people who respect F (M) for engineering chops? Interesting. To me they more look like "that's how not to do things" than the opposite.
by rimliu 4y ago
There are people who respect F (M) for engineering chops?
Interesting. To me they more look like "that's how not to do things" than the opposite.
- whatshisface 4y agoIt sounds impossible to characterize a bigco, which is like a trillion competing and independent duchies and fiefdoms, with any sort of sweeping statement about how good their engineers are.
- sethhochberg 4y agoNot to mention the entire disciplines of engineering that really only exist at the megacorps - Meta is still on the relatively bleeding edge of datacenter design, both physical plant and networking.
- linkregister 4y agoThe amount of recruiter spam increases by an order of magnitude once a FAANG-level technology company appears on one's resume. It has a dramatic change in the amount of technical interviews that are granted to an applicant.
- Silhouette 4y agoAt what kind of company? Looking from outside and in particular from outside the US the whole FAANG culture seems very strange. There is - or was - a huge amount of money available in compensation that seems almost completely disconnected from the value of an individual developer's contribution to the business or the level of useful skills and experience the developer has. And it seems there's this kind of clique effect where those who have worked in a FAANG or a high-profile startup are assumed by others who have worked at FAANGs or high-profile startups to be somehow better than everyone else. But IME once you're outside that bubble a more likely assumption is that ex-FAANG people will demand more than they're worth and won't necessarily be any more competent or productive than anyone else. And ex-multiple-FAANGs with rapid job hopping at the start of a career is a huge red flag.
- VirusNewbie 4y agoFAANG has a fairly high floor for engineers. You certainly find brilliant people on par with the best of FAANG at all types and kinds of companies. However many companies also have absolutely morons slip through the cracks, people who can barely code. FAANG does a pretty good job filtering those people out. So I agree that FAANG isn’t a great signal of brilliance but it is a good sign of “decently competent”.
- ZephyrBlu 4y agoHow did you come to believe that Meta doesn't have engineering chops? They have done so much cutting edge engineering work I don't even know where to start. Think what you want about the company itself, but they've done a shit ton of amazing engineering work.
- nodemaker 4y agoI worked at a startup where everyone was ex meta! They made such a shitty architecture with GraphQL and Hasura and other meta technologies they learnt that it was laughable they were using that for a small startup.
- gedy 4y agoGraphQL and Hasura is... totally reasonable for a startup? We used same at a 12 person startup, way faster and cheaper than the shitty MVP API service we were limping along with. Also Hasura is not Meta tech afaik.
- renewiltord 4y agoIt's not that there aren't great engineers at the FAANGs. It's that there are a lot of low quality ones. So it's a poor lake to fish in.
- what_ever 4y agoIsn't that true for engineers in general and not just engineers at FAANGs?
- renewiltord 4y agoRight. In some sense, it's just a population reversion to the mean. But I've had better luck with my hiring once I've excluded FAANG-only engineers from the resumes I screen. Considering we pay about $350k for a fresh grad, I think I know why this is.