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Offer better food or whatever to those serving life sentences in prison, if they agree to the testing. There's consent.
by smm11 4y ago
Offer better food or whatever to those serving life sentences in prison, if they agree to the testing. There's consent.
- pprotas 4y agoNow I’m imagining prison guards threatening go take away food if the inmates don’t agree to testing…
- Fomite 4y agoFor human subjects research, studies involving prisoners, along with members of the military, get a higher level of scrutiny precisely because there's very real concerns about their ability to meaningfully provide informed consent.
- mattkrause 4y agoThe rules around working with prisoners or other captive audiences are strict because it’s so easy to apply undue pressure to them. The goal isn’t just to get someone to say “okay”; the point is to make sure they’re doing so freely and with a complete understanding of the possible outcomes.
- doublerabbit 4y agoDo animals get to consent and understand the possible outcomes? Why shouldn't they get the same conditions?
- stametseater 4y agoNo, because they're animals.
- DangitBobby 4y agoWe love circular reasoning.
- stametseater 4y ago> "Do animals consent and understand?" -> "No, because they're animals." Where is the circle? > "Do prisoners consent to being imprisoned?" -> "No, because they're prisoners." Is that circular reasoning too? Or is that simply the flat truth, whether you like it or not? Where you go wrong is in assuming that seeking the consent of animals is a universal value that everybody else shares with you. But that is not true. The answer to "do animals consent to this" is "No, and so what?" The question you pose is only compelling to people who already share your values. To somebody who doesn't share your values, your argument is easily addressed and dismissed. The animals being eaten don't consent, and we don't care because they're animals.
- gowld 4y agoWhy only prison? The only reason to add that qualifier is if you know they won't freely consent.
- valgor 4y agoAnd this is why if one are interested in huma rights then one should work for prisoners rights. They are the most vulnerable humans to get shit on. If we can treat our criminals with dignity then maybe we can treat everyone else with dignity too.