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TBH Wayland is rocky on linux too from my experience. It's really hit or miss with applications especially electron ones. I think electron natively supports way

TBH Wayland is rocky on linux too from my experience. It's really hit or miss with applications especially electron ones. I think electron natively supports wayland without adding a flag now? The issue is most applications don't use that version yet. Both me and my friend installed wayland on a fresh arch install and we both had issues with random "black boxes" on electron applications. Games are also very hit or miss. IDK it's just felt very half baked. And this was with Gnome which my understanding should have very decent wayland support?

freedomben 4y ago
Interesting, I've been running Wayland (Fedora) for years now and the only issues I've ever had were application compatibility (rather than bugs). Screen sharing is the big one. Which GPU do you have? Wayland on nvidia is definitely more buggy than wayland on AMD and Intel, so if you run nvidia that could definitely be a factor.
- petepete 4y ago
  Even screen sharing is mostly solved now. I do it daily without issue on Fedora with Wayland. The only thing concession I need to make is running Slack in a browser tab instead of the app, because the app comes with an older version of Electron.
  - prmoustache 4y ago
    Yes most electron apps can be replaced by their browser counterparts without loss of any feature and wayland works great on the browsers. I don't even understand why electron exists to be honest, there is no added value.
    - NavinF 4y ago
      There are a million edge cases that don't work in the browser. System wide hotkeys (Eg push to talk), screen sharing with audio, etc.
      - prmoustache 4y ago
        You are speaking of millions but I have yet to encounter one. And I would say missing one feature I am unlikely to use is a small price to pay for more control of my privacy, advertising, telemetry, hardware and OS access.
    - officeplant 4y ago
      I've come to enjoy just keeping to apps browser counter parts because they usually work better and can be resized however I want as a window.
      - prmoustache 4y ago
        What prevents you to resize your browser window? The fact you make it run within a browser don't mean you can't run it in a separate window. The only good point I can think of is having a separate icon for the app in an alt+tab situation. But in my case I use the activities view on Gnome and usually view and recognize the window content. Also epiphany browser allows me to create "apps" with their own icon. Sadly not all of them work due to user agent nazism.
        officeplant 4y ago
        >What prevents you to resize your browser window? I'm talking about how electron apps prevent you from a wider range of window resizing
- thewataccount 4y ago
  Indeed we both have 4090's so that might explain the issue. It sucks that nvidia is more buggy in general on linux because they're currently the only realistic* option for working with a bunch of ML stuff. * Yes ROCM is gaining support, but it's still trailing behind CUDA unfortunately and you can't beat the 4090/3090 for ML in the consumer range right now.
bee_rider 4y ago
Sway worked pretty well in general for me, except Zoom didn’t play nice with it at all. Zoom is bad, but then, I wouldn’t be using it if I wasn’t paid to use it.

freedomben 4y ago

Interesting, I've been running Wayland (Fedora) for years now and the only issues I've ever had were application compatibility (rather than bugs). Screen sharing is the big one. Which GPU do you have? Wayland on nvidia is definitely more buggy than wayland on AMD and Intel, so if you run nvidia that could definitely be a factor.

petepete 4y ago
Even screen sharing is mostly solved now. I do it daily without issue on Fedora with Wayland. The only thing concession I need to make is running Slack in a browser tab instead of the app, because the app comes with an older version of Electron.
- prmoustache 4y ago
  Yes most electron apps can be replaced by their browser counterparts without loss of any feature and wayland works great on the browsers. I don't even understand why electron exists to be honest, there is no added value.
  - NavinF 4y ago
    There are a million edge cases that don't work in the browser. System wide hotkeys (Eg push to talk), screen sharing with audio, etc.
    - prmoustache 4y ago
      You are speaking of millions but I have yet to encounter one. And I would say missing one feature I am unlikely to use is a small price to pay for more control of my privacy, advertising, telemetry, hardware and OS access.
  - officeplant 4y ago
    I've come to enjoy just keeping to apps browser counter parts because they usually work better and can be resized however I want as a window.
    - prmoustache 4y ago
      What prevents you to resize your browser window? The fact you make it run within a browser don't mean you can't run it in a separate window. The only good point I can think of is having a separate icon for the app in an alt+tab situation. But in my case I use the activities view on Gnome and usually view and recognize the window content. Also epiphany browser allows me to create "apps" with their own icon. Sadly not all of them work due to user agent nazism.
      - officeplant 4y ago
        >What prevents you to resize your browser window? I'm talking about how electron apps prevent you from a wider range of window resizing
thewataccount 4y ago
Indeed we both have 4090's so that might explain the issue. It sucks that nvidia is more buggy in general on linux because they're currently the only realistic* option for working with a bunch of ML stuff. * Yes ROCM is gaining support, but it's still trailing behind CUDA unfortunately and you can't beat the 4090/3090 for ML in the consumer range right now.

bee_rider 4y ago

Sway worked pretty well in general for me, except Zoom didn’t play nice with it at all. Zoom is bad, but then, I wouldn’t be using it if I wasn’t paid to use it.