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From their main page (https://www.nabla.com/ https://www.nabla.com/), the mention HIPAA: Secure and HIPAA-eligible Audio, transcripts, and notes are not stored by Nabla HIPAA-eligible and GDPR compliant SOC 2 and ISO 27001 certifications in progress Digging deeper (https://www.nabla.com/blog/privacy-security/ https://www.nabla.com/blog/privacy-security/): This data processing is done on Nabla's servers, which are powered by the HIPAA and GDPR compliant Google Cloud Platform (GCP), and on HIPAA-eligible LLM servers.

JohnFen 4y ago
What does "HIPAA-eligible" mean? EDIT: I was very curious about this and did a bit of research. The answer to it is squishy. It seems to be mostly a marketing term. The best definition I found was this: "A service that is HIPAA eligible is one that is capable of being configured in a way that could meet HIPAA compliance requirements, but you have to know how to do it, it doesn’t happen ‘out of the box.’" https://www.cleardata.com/articles/hipaa-eligible-hipaa-compliant-services/ https://www.cleardata.com/articles/hipaa-eligible-hipaa-comp... So it sounds great but doesn't actually mean that much.
- meghan_rain 4y ago
  lmao literally a weasel word
- SkyPuncher 4y ago
  "HIPAA-eligible" means they have no idea what they're doing in healthcare. The second you said that in a pitch to executive leadership, they'd realize you have no idea how to operate in healthcare.
  - manv1 4y ago
    What that really means is: * they may be HIPAA-compliant (ie: they fulfill the requirements), * they haven't gone through a HIPAA-certification (no third-party cert), * they aren't using services that aren't HIPAA-certifiable The latter point is important, because there are some services (ie: firebase) that apparently won't be HIPAA compliant. Some services are HIPAA-compliant if configured correctly. AWS has a list. I believe google does too. There are a bunch of HIPAA guides out there. So as a demo, it's not a big deal. But if they start selling this they need at least to be HIPAA-compliant with certification on the roadmap.
    - SkyPuncher 4y ago
      HIPAA is a self certification. You can claim compliance simply by following the rules. Therefore, you’re either HIPAA compliant or your not. I have never heard anyone describe it as being HIPAA-eligible. HITRUST is a third party audit with higher standards than HIPAA. That is not a self-attestation. I’ve spent a bunch of time in this space. Most of the major players offer HIPAA compliant services and sign BAAs. As of now, I don’t believe OpenAI offers a BAA, so this is dead in the water.
      - manv1 4y ago
        Well, HIPAA can be self-certified, but that probably won't stand up in court so most organizations will pay a third-party provider to perform the certification for them. That also lets you see the gaps, because HIPAA is big. Here's AWS's list of HIPAA-eligible services. HIPAA-eligible is technology provider specific: https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/hipaa-eligible-services-reference/ https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/hipaa-eligible-services-re... Here's google's: https://cloud.google.com/security/compliance/hipaa-compliance/ https://cloud.google.com/security/compliance/hipaa-complianc... In general it means that the service may not be HIPAA compliant by default, but can be configured to be HIPAA compliant. HITRUST is something else and it outside the scope of this discussion IMO. Not sure why you brought that up.
        dragonwriter 4y ago
        > Well, HIPAA can be self-certified, but that probably won't stand up in court The is no certification requirement, so there is nothing to ”stand up in court”. Straight from the horse's mouth: Are we required to “certify” our organization’s compliance with the standards of the Security Rule? Answer: No, there is no standard or implementation specification that requires a covered entity to “certify” compliance. https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/2003/are-we-required-to-certify-our-organizations-compliance-with-the-standards/index.html https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/2003/are-we-...
- mraison 4y ago
  Hi everyone! We’re of course well aware of the importance of HIPAA for all organizations operating in the US. To clear up any confusion: HIPAA-eligible means in our case that we’re ready to sign BAAs.
dragonwriter 4y ago
Either they are offering to sign a HIPAA BAA or they aren’t. If they aren’t, its HIPAA-radioactive. HIPAA-eligible for this kind of service is meaningless; when you have PHI going through a third party system, its BAA or GTFO.

JohnFen 4y ago

What does "HIPAA-eligible" mean? EDIT: I was very curious about this and did a bit of research. The answer to it is squishy. It seems to be mostly a marketing term. The best definition I found was this: "A service that is HIPAA eligible is one that is capable of being configured in a way that could meet HIPAA compliance requirements, but you have to know how to do it, it doesn’t happen ‘out of the box.’" https://www.cleardata.com/articles/hipaa-eligible-hipaa-compliant-services/ https://www.cleardata.com/articles/hipaa-eligible-hipaa-comp... So it sounds great but doesn't actually mean that much.

meghan_rain 4y ago
lmao literally a weasel word
SkyPuncher 4y ago
"HIPAA-eligible" means they have no idea what they're doing in healthcare. The second you said that in a pitch to executive leadership, they'd realize you have no idea how to operate in healthcare.
- manv1 4y ago
  What that really means is: * they may be HIPAA-compliant (ie: they fulfill the requirements), * they haven't gone through a HIPAA-certification (no third-party cert), * they aren't using services that aren't HIPAA-certifiable The latter point is important, because there are some services (ie: firebase) that apparently won't be HIPAA compliant. Some services are HIPAA-compliant if configured correctly. AWS has a list. I believe google does too. There are a bunch of HIPAA guides out there. So as a demo, it's not a big deal. But if they start selling this they need at least to be HIPAA-compliant with certification on the roadmap.
  - SkyPuncher 4y ago
    HIPAA is a self certification. You can claim compliance simply by following the rules. Therefore, you’re either HIPAA compliant or your not. I have never heard anyone describe it as being HIPAA-eligible. HITRUST is a third party audit with higher standards than HIPAA. That is not a self-attestation. I’ve spent a bunch of time in this space. Most of the major players offer HIPAA compliant services and sign BAAs. As of now, I don’t believe OpenAI offers a BAA, so this is dead in the water.
    - manv1 4y ago
      Well, HIPAA can be self-certified, but that probably won't stand up in court so most organizations will pay a third-party provider to perform the certification for them. That also lets you see the gaps, because HIPAA is big. Here's AWS's list of HIPAA-eligible services. HIPAA-eligible is technology provider specific: https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/hipaa-eligible-services-reference/ https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/hipaa-eligible-services-re... Here's google's: https://cloud.google.com/security/compliance/hipaa-compliance/ https://cloud.google.com/security/compliance/hipaa-complianc... In general it means that the service may not be HIPAA compliant by default, but can be configured to be HIPAA compliant. HITRUST is something else and it outside the scope of this discussion IMO. Not sure why you brought that up.
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        > Well, HIPAA can be self-certified, but that probably won't stand up in court The is no certification requirement, so there is nothing to ”stand up in court”. Straight from the horse's mouth: Are we required to “certify” our organization’s compliance with the standards of the Security Rule? Answer: No, there is no standard or implementation specification that requires a covered entity to “certify” compliance. https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/2003/are-we-required-to-certify-our-organizations-compliance-with-the-standards/index.html https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/2003/are-we-...
mraison 4y ago
Hi everyone! We’re of course well aware of the importance of HIPAA for all organizations operating in the US. To clear up any confusion: HIPAA-eligible means in our case that we’re ready to sign BAAs.

dragonwriter 4y ago

Either they are offering to sign a HIPAA BAA or they aren’t. If they aren’t, its HIPAA-radioactive. HIPAA-eligible for this kind of service is meaningless; when you have PHI going through a third party system, its BAA or GTFO.