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Some of those people are even here. Who knows why.

lloydatkinson 4y ago
? I think it's perfectly valid to be interested in the discussion or posted links on a technical site like HN while concurrently not be interested in or dislike the "big tech culture" of geographic places.
CatWChainsaw 4y ago
First they built the social media echo chambers. Then they lamented that people stayed inside their social media echo chambers. Then they expressed befuddlement that people refused to stay in their social media echo chambers. As someone who's not in tech, I read this site so I can see what you insiders are going to enshitten next. :)
- nebula8804 4y ago
  Well? Don't keep us hanging. What do you see is the next thing to enshitten? I'm always behind the curve so thats why I ask. I'd be nice to get ahead of something for once in my life.
  - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
    It's not like I strung you along like an ad-infested youtube video about how to get rich quick that ends with buying my book... "I read this site." It shows up on the front page, I make note and see how long it takes to go cockeyed. (You really should buy my book though. It doesn't exist and never will but I promise it's the most riveting thing you'll ever read.)
    - nebula8804 4y ago
      There is too much crud that goes nowhere on the front page of HN. How many articles do you specifically remember from a year ago? Im not clever enough to pick out the ones that are destined to become that next big enshitten. I will stand by with my credit card for that book though.
      - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
        Keep your credit card in an RFID wallet and don't let scammers run amok with your banking info. And personally, I never allow browsers/websites to save my CC info.. Well, what rises to your level of "specifically"? Because it's a lot of bookmarks with a couple keywords that I find meaningful enough to jog my memory, not conscious memory where I'm in the middle of lunch and wonder where That One Article went. And I've only been regularly reading HN for maybe a year. Some of the stuff I marked might interest you though. "Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech reviews on Youtube". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30694102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30694102 One might consider that interesting in light of the recent revelation that some of the FSD footage was staged without being honest about it. "Web3: A VC-funded gig economy of securities fraud" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31011894 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31011894 In just the past year, crypto's lost its luster, the metaverse flopped, etc. Actually, one caught my eye that is quite timely given the new AI boom. "Economists are revisiting their views on robots and jobs" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30078732 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30078732 You'll have to follow the archive link though, there's a paywall.
        nebula8804 4y ago
        This is all what has happened already. None of this is the next big enshitten. 1. Tesla: I have been following Tesla since like forever and lost a lot of my 2017 to following it on the short side (despite never shorting it nor anything else in my life). You say this Self driving might catch up to them...I say never bet against Teflon Elon just like you don't bet against Teflon Don. He will find a way to escape whatever mess he gets into and is probably thinking three steps ahead. He has been doing it for 10+ years now. No reason this is the year he falters just like no reason this is finally the year of Linux(spoiler: its not). 2. Web3: we have seen this coming for a while now. Jury is still out on crypto in my opinion. We may have just experienced the "Web 1.0 crash" of crypto 3. Wow I actually remember that article. In fact its date is making me wish I could go back to late 2021. Its crazy for me to realize how every year that passes I wish I could have gone back to that year rather than being here right now. I guess this might be the next enshitten given how people are freaking out about ChatGPT4 on the front page right now. I guess you get this one but it was a lucky guess! :)
- recuter 4y ago
  Having decimated the income streams of newspapers and culture -- literally, that industry's revenue is down tenfold from its peak 25 years ago -- gotten all you simple minded normies addicted to shiny glass rectangles as your primary source of truth and morality -- we are busy ushering in an age where all writing, all knowledge, all decisions regarding eduction, social mores, romantic relationships, mortgages, law, and thought itself will be performed for you by politically slanted AIs. For your own safety. Although, you might find since times of yore ancient Howard Beale type actual techies have foretold of this dark dystopia and tried their best to prevent it. Their warnings falling on deaf ears. The enshittening is ushered in by the managerial types, the MBAs, the marketing folks, run of the mill code monkeys and designers in fedoras. The enshitting is ushered in by the eager consumers, the influencers, the professionally outraged, and you. This is/was the website for hackers. The type who disobey and mock the system for what it is. And lemmings for what they are.
  - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
    This deserves top comment. :)
  - jamiek88 4y ago
    >This is/was the website for hackers. No, this is and was a website for VC’s and their employees. A small subset of hacker culture at best. Cleverly named though.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Nah HN is very full of mainstream opinions. I don't see people talking about stuff that bucks that. Sure you see left and right takes but it's mainstream stuff.
  - theGnuMe 4y ago
    Imagine AI grading.. you can't pass till you meet its filter. Want to write something WOKE.. nope.
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- roflyear 4y ago
  What's the next thing you think?
  - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
    I didn't really want to have the same conversation in two places but whatever, if you want to bookmark this comment and see how it pans out on a longer timescale, I can make a couple guesses. Easy potshot is all the generative AI. We get to write code and emails and homework and books faster. We also get more malware; and, when the realms of text, video, and voice are all convincing enough, we get that deepfake flood we're promised is coming, and so the breaking of a "shared reality" that snowballed with social media echo chambers becomes fully realized. So far the only "solution" I've seen is AI detection software. To me that sounds like a continuation of the same old cold war except it exhausts even more mental resources. If you want a more novel guess, anything of the brain-computer interface ilk. It gets accurate and portable enough and it will get put into as many hard surfaces as Big Tech can stuff it, from trackpads to phone screens to more "public" terminals like ticket counters or automated fast-food restaurant booths. It starts with the novelty of generating Stable Diffusion images with just your brain, or streamlining navigation menus with thought. And then, just like big data fueled AI and proved very economically lucrative, every single thought anyone ever has will be stored just because we have the capability. FAANGs and the NSA have many redundant data centers. Every thought you have can be monetized. Or used to convict you of thoughtcrime. I can't really see the fabric of society withstanding that kind of floodgate.
    - nebula8804 4y ago
      Hmm, seems like you are on the mark with the generative AI. I've read others writing similar things. Some people propose that this will be the breaking point where people have had enough of internet content and a trend of disconnecting might start to become a thing or the return to more curated walled gardens (remember AOL?) As for your second point, seems like you are referring to neuralink? Are you also considering things like the upcoming Apple Glasses/Goggles? That seems like it will lead us to [1] (a video I totally despise because I dread it coming) [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
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GauntletWizard 4y ago
I'm here as an exgoogler who is frankly very disappointed at what it's become. Google was a transcendent experience in the early 2000s, and even when I worked for them from 2010-2014, they had a lot of great products and services. There were many boneheaded moves then, and there are even more now, and for better or for worse and whether it's because of changes at Google or changes in the world, and I don't really care - It's their job to make information useful, and they're doing a bad job at it.
krapp 4y ago
This site was created by a SV tech billionaire and it's owned by a startup incubator. It was originally called "Startup News." The "Hacker" in "Hacker" news refers to hacking capitalism. This is literally the axis mundi for those people.

? I think it's perfectly valid to be interested in the discussion or posted links on a technical site like HN while concurrently not be interested in or dislike the "big tech culture" of geographic places.

CatWChainsaw 4y ago

First they built the social media echo chambers. Then they lamented that people stayed inside their social media echo chambers. Then they expressed befuddlement that people refused to stay in their social media echo chambers. As someone who's not in tech, I read this site so I can see what you insiders are going to enshitten next. :)

nebula8804 4y ago
Well? Don't keep us hanging. What do you see is the next thing to enshitten? I'm always behind the curve so thats why I ask. I'd be nice to get ahead of something for once in my life.
- CatWChainsaw 4y ago
  It's not like I strung you along like an ad-infested youtube video about how to get rich quick that ends with buying my book... "I read this site." It shows up on the front page, I make note and see how long it takes to go cockeyed. (You really should buy my book though. It doesn't exist and never will but I promise it's the most riveting thing you'll ever read.)
  - nebula8804 4y ago
    There is too much crud that goes nowhere on the front page of HN. How many articles do you specifically remember from a year ago? Im not clever enough to pick out the ones that are destined to become that next big enshitten. I will stand by with my credit card for that book though.
    - CatWChainsaw 4y ago
      Keep your credit card in an RFID wallet and don't let scammers run amok with your banking info. And personally, I never allow browsers/websites to save my CC info.. Well, what rises to your level of "specifically"? Because it's a lot of bookmarks with a couple keywords that I find meaningful enough to jog my memory, not conscious memory where I'm in the middle of lunch and wonder where That One Article went. And I've only been regularly reading HN for maybe a year. Some of the stuff I marked might interest you though. "Tesla fired an employee after he posted driverless tech reviews on Youtube". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30694102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30694102 One might consider that interesting in light of the recent revelation that some of the FSD footage was staged without being honest about it. "Web3: A VC-funded gig economy of securities fraud" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31011894 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31011894 In just the past year, crypto's lost its luster, the metaverse flopped, etc. Actually, one caught my eye that is quite timely given the new AI boom. "Economists are revisiting their views on robots and jobs" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30078732 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30078732 You'll have to follow the archive link though, there's a paywall.
      - nebula8804 4y ago
        This is all what has happened already. None of this is the next big enshitten. 1. Tesla: I have been following Tesla since like forever and lost a lot of my 2017 to following it on the short side (despite never shorting it nor anything else in my life). You say this Self driving might catch up to them...I say never bet against Teflon Elon just like you don't bet against Teflon Don. He will find a way to escape whatever mess he gets into and is probably thinking three steps ahead. He has been doing it for 10+ years now. No reason this is the year he falters just like no reason this is finally the year of Linux(spoiler: its not). 2. Web3: we have seen this coming for a while now. Jury is still out on crypto in my opinion. We may have just experienced the "Web 1.0 crash" of crypto 3. Wow I actually remember that article. In fact its date is making me wish I could go back to late 2021. Its crazy for me to realize how every year that passes I wish I could have gone back to that year rather than being here right now. I guess this might be the next enshitten given how people are freaking out about ChatGPT4 on the front page right now. I guess you get this one but it was a lucky guess! :)
recuter 4y ago
Having decimated the income streams of newspapers and culture -- literally, that industry's revenue is down tenfold from its peak 25 years ago -- gotten all you simple minded normies addicted to shiny glass rectangles as your primary source of truth and morality -- we are busy ushering in an age where all writing, all knowledge, all decisions regarding eduction, social mores, romantic relationships, mortgages, law, and thought itself will be performed for you by politically slanted AIs. For your own safety. Although, you might find since times of yore ancient Howard Beale type actual techies have foretold of this dark dystopia and tried their best to prevent it. Their warnings falling on deaf ears. The enshittening is ushered in by the managerial types, the MBAs, the marketing folks, run of the mill code monkeys and designers in fedoras. The enshitting is ushered in by the eager consumers, the influencers, the professionally outraged, and you. This is/was the website for hackers. The type who disobey and mock the system for what it is. And lemmings for what they are.
- CatWChainsaw 4y ago
  This deserves top comment. :)
- jamiek88 4y ago
  >This is/was the website for hackers. No, this is and was a website for VC’s and their employees. A small subset of hacker culture at best. Cleverly named though.
- roflyear 4y ago
  Nah HN is very full of mainstream opinions. I don't see people talking about stuff that bucks that. Sure you see left and right takes but it's mainstream stuff.
- theGnuMe 4y ago
  Imagine AI grading.. you can't pass till you meet its filter. Want to write something WOKE.. nope.
- deleted 4y ago
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roflyear 4y ago
What's the next thing you think?
- CatWChainsaw 4y ago
  I didn't really want to have the same conversation in two places but whatever, if you want to bookmark this comment and see how it pans out on a longer timescale, I can make a couple guesses. Easy potshot is all the generative AI. We get to write code and emails and homework and books faster. We also get more malware; and, when the realms of text, video, and voice are all convincing enough, we get that deepfake flood we're promised is coming, and so the breaking of a "shared reality" that snowballed with social media echo chambers becomes fully realized. So far the only "solution" I've seen is AI detection software. To me that sounds like a continuation of the same old cold war except it exhausts even more mental resources. If you want a more novel guess, anything of the brain-computer interface ilk. It gets accurate and portable enough and it will get put into as many hard surfaces as Big Tech can stuff it, from trackpads to phone screens to more "public" terminals like ticket counters or automated fast-food restaurant booths. It starts with the novelty of generating Stable Diffusion images with just your brain, or streamlining navigation menus with thought. And then, just like big data fueled AI and proved very economically lucrative, every single thought anyone ever has will be stored just because we have the capability. FAANGs and the NSA have many redundant data centers. Every thought you have can be monetized. Or used to convict you of thoughtcrime. I can't really see the fabric of society withstanding that kind of floodgate.
  - nebula8804 4y ago
    Hmm, seems like you are on the mark with the generative AI. I've read others writing similar things. Some people propose that this will be the breaking point where people have had enough of internet content and a trend of disconnecting might start to become a thing or the return to more curated walled gardens (remember AOL?) As for your second point, seems like you are referring to neuralink? Are you also considering things like the upcoming Apple Glasses/Goggles? That seems like it will lead us to [1] (a video I totally despise because I dread it coming) [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
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GauntletWizard 4y ago

I'm here as an exgoogler who is frankly very disappointed at what it's become. Google was a transcendent experience in the early 2000s, and even when I worked for them from 2010-2014, they had a lot of great products and services. There were many boneheaded moves then, and there are even more now, and for better or for worse and whether it's because of changes at Google or changes in the world, and I don't really care - It's their job to make information useful, and they're doing a bad job at it.

krapp 4y ago

This site was created by a SV tech billionaire and it's owned by a startup incubator. It was originally called "Startup News." The "Hacker" in "Hacker" news refers to hacking capitalism. This is literally the axis mundi for those people.