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Riiight. I tried Bing Chats thing ~2 weeks ago (apart from the pain I had to go through to get it running, e.g. Edge browser and a million clicks through there

Riiight. I tried Bing Chats thing ~2 weeks ago (apart from the pain I had to go through to get it running, e.g. Edge browser and a million clicks through there site). Anyway, when I did get to try Bing Chats, it was nowhere near the same level of usefulness I found when using the free version of Chat GPT. If it was using GPT-4, then that's worrying. I've not tried Bing Chats again since. (mostly because it's so gated behind forced use software).

Workaccount2 4y ago
The early version of it before Microsoft forced it into the ground was clearly way stronger. Many people suspected that they were using an internal build of a better model.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  The latest GPT-4 page shows that when you put the safety stuff in, it loses power to be accurate.
  - frognumber 4y ago
    Hey! That's true of almost any sort of ideology.
    - CSMastermind 4y ago
      I can't wait until we end up in some weird dystopian future where only the rich and extremely powerful have access to the uncensored AI and everyone else only gets to use the restricted version where only the approved ways of thinking are allowed in the name of "safety".
      - renewiltord 4y ago
        That is an outcome I highly desire. I will pay up to $1k a month (maybe more) for the uncensored machine, but there should be no LLM access to journalists, etc. with real world verification to cross-platform blackball users who would threaten the legality of this technology. These tools are very effective, and giving access to lay people lets them use them to do things like say racist things and have silly arguments and answer puzzles wrongly and then go online and say the machine is broken and it shouldn't be released, and that it should be banned, etc. Essentially, the better world for the disbelievers is that the tool is not available to them. The best world for the believers is that they have access to the tool. These are compatible.
        nullc 4y ago
        Consider the kind of computer you could have to run a ML model where the energy use from your intermittent usage resulted in a $1k/month energy bill. You could easily run a model orders of magnitude larger than current ones within that envelope under reasonable assumptions about your duty cycle.
        politician 4y ago
        If that happens, then you'll be receiving the censored version available to folks at the $1000/mo price point. For subscriptions at the $10k/mo price point, a less censored version, and onward. There is no reason not to practice customer segmentation in this scenario.
Aaron2222 4y ago
You can just spoof the user agent. It works fine on Safari on macOS when spoofing the user agent to be Microsoft Edge (macOS).
- TowerTall 4y ago
  You can also go to https://web.skype.com/ https://web.skype.com/ and add bing as a contact and the use bing chat there

Workaccount2 4y ago

The early version of it before Microsoft forced it into the ground was clearly way stronger. Many people suspected that they were using an internal build of a better model.

renewiltord 4y ago
The latest GPT-4 page shows that when you put the safety stuff in, it loses power to be accurate.
- frognumber 4y ago
  Hey! That's true of almost any sort of ideology.
  - CSMastermind 4y ago
    I can't wait until we end up in some weird dystopian future where only the rich and extremely powerful have access to the uncensored AI and everyone else only gets to use the restricted version where only the approved ways of thinking are allowed in the name of "safety".
    - renewiltord 4y ago
      That is an outcome I highly desire. I will pay up to $1k a month (maybe more) for the uncensored machine, but there should be no LLM access to journalists, etc. with real world verification to cross-platform blackball users who would threaten the legality of this technology. These tools are very effective, and giving access to lay people lets them use them to do things like say racist things and have silly arguments and answer puzzles wrongly and then go online and say the machine is broken and it shouldn't be released, and that it should be banned, etc. Essentially, the better world for the disbelievers is that the tool is not available to them. The best world for the believers is that they have access to the tool. These are compatible.
      - nullc 4y ago
        Consider the kind of computer you could have to run a ML model where the energy use from your intermittent usage resulted in a $1k/month energy bill. You could easily run a model orders of magnitude larger than current ones within that envelope under reasonable assumptions about your duty cycle.
      - politician 4y ago
        If that happens, then you'll be receiving the censored version available to folks at the $1000/mo price point. For subscriptions at the $10k/mo price point, a less censored version, and onward. There is no reason not to practice customer segmentation in this scenario.

Aaron2222 4y ago

You can just spoof the user agent. It works fine on Safari on macOS when spoofing the user agent to be Microsoft Edge (macOS).

TowerTall 4y ago
You can also go to https://web.skype.com/ https://web.skype.com/ and add bing as a contact and the use bing chat there