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Learning is absolutely going to be required, we are just going to need to spend more time learning patterns and motifs rather than lots of facts. Learning fact

Learning is absolutely going to be required, we are just going to need to spend more time learning patterns and motifs rather than lots of facts. Learning facts and trivia was already devalued by everyone having a hyper-encyclopedia in their pockets, this will just extend that. Knowledge of patterns and motifs in domains of information will let you work together with the machines in a way that an untrained person will not be able to match.

Sol- 4y ago
I admire your optimism if you think that a human in the loop will add any value. Other than for humoring/entertaining the human, of course, which is what I meant with learning-as-a-hobby. Also, I'm not educator or very knowledgeable about the theory of learning, but I can imagine that "learning facts and trivia" is to some extent a necessity for exercising our brains when we are young. Of course, learning patterns and theories is the end goal, but some rote learning may be necessary on the way.
- CuriouslyC 4y ago
  Humans are very efficient computers for many types of tasks. Humans also have a large body of multi-modal data with detailed annotations inferred by observation of other people's responses passed through our mirror circuitry that is unavailable to the AI, so they can sometimes provide relevant guidance even if they aren't better at the whole task. Finally, human neural networks are chaotic, so they can potentially find better global maximums in some cases than a model, which might end up trapped in a local minimum due to its inability to entertain sufficiently unlikely hypotheticals.
- msm_ 4y ago
  My job is fighting IT crime. Right now this means reverse-engineering malware, tracking criminal groups in various graph databases, and writing Python scripts. Maybe in 20 years I will reverse-engineer AI models (using AI tools), discuss criminal groups with ChatGPT, and prompt-engineer utilities. But I don't see my (broadly understood) job becoming obsolete as long as people are capable of crime and software exists.
nostromo123 4y ago
"Learning facts and trivia was already devalued by everyone having a hyper-encyclopedia in their pockets, this will just extend that." I hope you don't end up having surgery done by a doctor who has to check a "hyper- encyclopedia" in his pocket because learning facts is supposedly obsolete...
- CuriouslyC 4y ago
  As opposed to the doctor who has glassed with a HUD that is guiding him through the surgery, or a robot that the surgeon is guiding in VR?

Sol- 4y ago

I admire your optimism if you think that a human in the loop will add any value. Other than for humoring/entertaining the human, of course, which is what I meant with learning-as-a-hobby. Also, I'm not educator or very knowledgeable about the theory of learning, but I can imagine that "learning facts and trivia" is to some extent a necessity for exercising our brains when we are young. Of course, learning patterns and theories is the end goal, but some rote learning may be necessary on the way.

CuriouslyC 4y ago
Humans are very efficient computers for many types of tasks. Humans also have a large body of multi-modal data with detailed annotations inferred by observation of other people's responses passed through our mirror circuitry that is unavailable to the AI, so they can sometimes provide relevant guidance even if they aren't better at the whole task. Finally, human neural networks are chaotic, so they can potentially find better global maximums in some cases than a model, which might end up trapped in a local minimum due to its inability to entertain sufficiently unlikely hypotheticals.
msm_ 4y ago
My job is fighting IT crime. Right now this means reverse-engineering malware, tracking criminal groups in various graph databases, and writing Python scripts. Maybe in 20 years I will reverse-engineer AI models (using AI tools), discuss criminal groups with ChatGPT, and prompt-engineer utilities. But I don't see my (broadly understood) job becoming obsolete as long as people are capable of crime and software exists.

nostromo123 4y ago

"Learning facts and trivia was already devalued by everyone having a hyper-encyclopedia in their pockets, this will just extend that." I hope you don't end up having surgery done by a doctor who has to check a "hyper- encyclopedia" in his pocket because learning facts is supposedly obsolete...

CuriouslyC 4y ago
As opposed to the doctor who has glassed with a HUD that is guiding him through the surgery, or a robot that the surgeon is guiding in VR?