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> An AGI is an AI that can do everything a human can do, period That goalpost makes no sense- AIs are not human. They are fundamentally different, and therefor

by _yb2s 4y ago

> An AGI is an AI that can do everything a human can do, period That goalpost makes no sense- AIs are not human. They are fundamentally different, and therefore will always have a different set of strengths and weaknesses. Even long after vastly exceeding human intelligence everywhere it counts, it will still also perform worse than us on some tasks. Importantly, an AI wouldn't have to meet your goalpost to be a major threat to humanity, or to render virtually all human labor worthless. Think about how anthropomorphic this goalpost is if you apply it to other species. "Humans aren't generally intelligent, because their brains don't process scents as effectively as dogs- and still struggle at spatially locating scents."

cabalamat 4y ago
What makes humans generally intelligent, in practical terms, is that we can build complex societies with scientific, technological and economic growth.
astrange 4y ago
This: > They are fundamentally different, and therefore will always have a different set of strengths and weaknesses. and this: > render virtually all human labor worthless actually conflict. Your job comes from comparative advantage, meaning that being more different from other people actually is more important than how good you are at it (absolute advantage). If the AGI could do your job better than you, it doesn't matter, because it has something better to do than that. And just like humans have to be paid so they can afford food and shelter, AGIs have to be paid so they can afford electricity and GPUs to run on. (Besides, if the AGI really is a replacement for a human, it probably has consumerist desires and wants to be paid the median wage too.)
- _yb2s 4y ago
  Dogs still have jobs in our modern society also, but that isn't exactly the situation I am hoping for with the future of AI.
00F_ 4y ago
hey, im very concerned about AI and AGI and it is so refreshing to read your comments. over the years i have worried about and warned people about AI but there are astonishingly few people to be found that actually think something should be done or even that anything is wrong. i believe that humanity stands a very good chance of saving itself through very simple measures. i believe, and i hope that you believe, that even if the best chance we had at saving ourselves was 1%, we should go ahead and at least try. in light of all this, i would very much like to stay in contact with you. ive connected with one other HN user so far (jjlustig) and i hope to connect more so that together we can effect political change around this important issue. ive formed a twitter account to do this, @stop_AGI. whether or not you choose to connect, please do reach out to your state and national legislators (if in the US) and convey your concern about AI. it will more valuable than you know.
- _yb2s 4y ago
  I am glad you are concerned about this, but I feel strongly that politics follows culture. The only way to get political change here would be to get people to generally accept this as a problem first... and at that point the politicians will figure it out on their own.

by _yb2s 4y ago

cabalamat 4y ago

What makes humans generally intelligent, in practical terms, is that we can build complex societies with scientific, technological and economic growth.

astrange 4y ago

This: > They are fundamentally different, and therefore will always have a different set of strengths and weaknesses. and this: > render virtually all human labor worthless actually conflict. Your job comes from comparative advantage, meaning that being more different from other people actually is more important than how good you are at it (absolute advantage). If the AGI could do your job better than you, it doesn't matter, because it has something better to do than that. And just like humans have to be paid so they can afford food and shelter, AGIs have to be paid so they can afford electricity and GPUs to run on. (Besides, if the AGI really is a replacement for a human, it probably has consumerist desires and wants to be paid the median wage too.)

_yb2s 4y ago
Dogs still have jobs in our modern society also, but that isn't exactly the situation I am hoping for with the future of AI.

00F_ 4y ago

hey, im very concerned about AI and AGI and it is so refreshing to read your comments. over the years i have worried about and warned people about AI but there are astonishingly few people to be found that actually think something should be done or even that anything is wrong. i believe that humanity stands a very good chance of saving itself through very simple measures. i believe, and i hope that you believe, that even if the best chance we had at saving ourselves was 1%, we should go ahead and at least try. in light of all this, i would very much like to stay in contact with you. ive connected with one other HN user so far (jjlustig) and i hope to connect more so that together we can effect political change around this important issue. ive formed a twitter account to do this, @stop_AGI. whether or not you choose to connect, please do reach out to your state and national legislators (if in the US) and convey your concern about AI. it will more valuable than you know.

_yb2s 4y ago
I am glad you are concerned about this, but I feel strongly that politics follows culture. The only way to get political change here would be to get people to generally accept this as a problem first... and at that point the politicians will figure it out on their own.