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That's...certainly more than I recall, having left Windows behind for good in 2009 after using both a Dell Latitude and a 15" MacBook Pro in my last couple year

That's...certainly more than I recall, having left Windows behind for good in 2009 after using both a Dell Latitude and a 15" MacBook Pro in my last couple years of college. I'm surprised that Win+P isn't "Print" by now. Sure, when you invoke it, you're telling the application to print the contents of window or the document you're looking at, but to some people any application should be able to print. The default macOS application project in Xcode still gives you a print menu item by default and I've even heard stories from people who have gotten rejected from the Mac App Store because they hadn't explicitly removed that item from the menu.

vel0city 4y ago
Just about every application that supports printing in Windows and Linux listens for print as Ctrl+P and has since Windows first came out and super keys didn't exist. Firefox, Edge, Chrome, Notepad++, Visual Studio Code, Outlook, Thunderbird, Word, WordPad, Excel, Powerpoint, OneNote, Paint, Photos, etc. all open their Print dialog when you do Ctrl+P. Why would I need Win+P to do Print when Ctrl+P is practically already the universal shortcut for printing? Meanwhile, when I'm wanting to change my presentation mode for a projector, I'll press Win+P to change from extending my displays to mirroring or have only my local screen or only my remote screen or connect to a wireless display.
- chrisfinazzo 4y ago
  Long story short, Microsoft chose the wrong horse in this race. The fallout from this decision should have been apparent when WSL came into being - I would be shocked if the WSL didn't use Ctrl-C to send a keyboard interrupt. In your use case, I would put that down to "Enterprise entanglements" where the thing driving the development of Windows features is the needs of business customers and not regular users at home. People need to print far more often than they need to deal with presentation modes in PowerPoint.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    > People need to print far more often than they need to deal with presentation modes in PowerPoint. They can, Windows apps have been able to print since Windows came out. I don't know why you feel that because Super+P (Win+P) doesn't do print then Windows users can't print things. And they can do so with the same keyboard shortcuts they used since before their keyboards even had a Super key. And its not for changing presentation modes in PowerPoint, its for quickly changing your monitor arrangement system-wide. > Microsoft chose the wrong horse in this race. Microsoft (and practically every app developer for DOS/Windows) chose the Control key over the Super key because practically all users at the time didn't have a Super key on their keyboard. Which is more user hostile, force keyboard shortcuts which use a key the vast majority of users don't have, requiring them to buy new keyboards just to use keyboard shortcuts, or repurpose an existing key that a lot of users don't care much about, and that many applications were already intercepting for keyboard shortcuts? > The fallout from this decision should have been apparent when WSL came into being - I would be shocked if the Windows didn't use Ctrl-C to send a keyboard interrupt. Linux apps behave practically the same way as in Windows. Guess what the print shortcut is in gedit? Guess what gedit's copy and paste shortcuts are? Guess Firefox's print or find shortcuts in Linux. Take a look at most of the keyboard shortcuts in tmux. Look up how to copy and paste in gnome-terminal. Guess what key is the most common one in Emacs shortcuts. Hint: they don't use the super key! https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/refcards/pdf/refcard.pdf https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/refcards/pdf/refcard.pdf

vel0city 4y ago

Just about every application that supports printing in Windows and Linux listens for print as Ctrl+P and has since Windows first came out and super keys didn't exist. Firefox, Edge, Chrome, Notepad++, Visual Studio Code, Outlook, Thunderbird, Word, WordPad, Excel, Powerpoint, OneNote, Paint, Photos, etc. all open their Print dialog when you do Ctrl+P. Why would I need Win+P to do Print when Ctrl+P is practically already the universal shortcut for printing? Meanwhile, when I'm wanting to change my presentation mode for a projector, I'll press Win+P to change from extending my displays to mirroring or have only my local screen or only my remote screen or connect to a wireless display.

chrisfinazzo 4y ago
Long story short, Microsoft chose the wrong horse in this race. The fallout from this decision should have been apparent when WSL came into being - I would be shocked if the WSL didn't use Ctrl-C to send a keyboard interrupt. In your use case, I would put that down to "Enterprise entanglements" where the thing driving the development of Windows features is the needs of business customers and not regular users at home. People need to print far more often than they need to deal with presentation modes in PowerPoint.
- vel0city 4y ago
  > People need to print far more often than they need to deal with presentation modes in PowerPoint. They can, Windows apps have been able to print since Windows came out. I don't know why you feel that because Super+P (Win+P) doesn't do print then Windows users can't print things. And they can do so with the same keyboard shortcuts they used since before their keyboards even had a Super key. And its not for changing presentation modes in PowerPoint, its for quickly changing your monitor arrangement system-wide. > Microsoft chose the wrong horse in this race. Microsoft (and practically every app developer for DOS/Windows) chose the Control key over the Super key because practically all users at the time didn't have a Super key on their keyboard. Which is more user hostile, force keyboard shortcuts which use a key the vast majority of users don't have, requiring them to buy new keyboards just to use keyboard shortcuts, or repurpose an existing key that a lot of users don't care much about, and that many applications were already intercepting for keyboard shortcuts? > The fallout from this decision should have been apparent when WSL came into being - I would be shocked if the Windows didn't use Ctrl-C to send a keyboard interrupt. Linux apps behave practically the same way as in Windows. Guess what the print shortcut is in gedit? Guess what gedit's copy and paste shortcuts are? Guess Firefox's print or find shortcuts in Linux. Take a look at most of the keyboard shortcuts in tmux. Look up how to copy and paste in gnome-terminal. Guess what key is the most common one in Emacs shortcuts. Hint: they don't use the super key! https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/refcards/pdf/refcard.pdf https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/refcards/pdf/refcard.pdf