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Long Covid happens in 4% of infections

45 points by apwheele 4y ago

WirelessGigabit 4y ago
I wish there was more research in hearing damage caused by COVID. I've always had weaker ears, tubes as a child, frequent inner-ear infections. And COVID pushed me over the edge. 24/7 screaming tinnitus.
- whinenot 4y ago
  Not to get too personal, but how's your blood pressure? If you have a cuff, may I suggest taking a reading when it's really bothersome. FWIW, I think COVID-HBP-Tinnitus is linked somehow.
  - WirelessGigabit 4y ago
    Nothing personal about it. I wish more people shared their COVID journey. My blood pressure is fine. When this all started I was a super healthy guy. That said, I am on ADHD medication, but regardless of whether I take them or not, the beep is there. Even if I don't take them for multiple days. (I had hip surgery recently, so I put on some pounds). And I'll get a cuff. Thanks for suggesting.
    - whinenot 4y ago
      My tinnitus greatly increased along with my diastolic pressure post COVID. Correlation? Maybe. I hope you find some relief.
thegrim33 4y ago
The claim is that long covid happens in 4% of infections. The article links to a study as proof of this. The study is based on "self-reported long COVID" data. So, once again, zero scientific evidence for long covid, only that people reported that they thought they had long covid.
- apwheele 4y ago
  If you want to look to more objective measures, since late 2021 there has been a ICD code assigned to long Covid (so it is diagnosed by a medical professional, not self report). For example, https://www.dovepress.com/positive-predictive-value-of-the-icd-10-diagnosis-code-for-long-covid-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-CLEP https://www.dovepress.com/positive-predictive-value-of-the-i..., A Danish cohort of over 20k people that had a positive Covid test, 1.4% have subsequently been diagnosed with long Covid. Now, you could continue to be really skeptical (are these really Covid related, or would these have happened absent Covid?). To say zero scientific evidence though seems to me to be sticking your head in the sand.
  - swatcoder 4y ago
    I’m sure some post-viral syndrome characteristic of Covid exists, but a diagnostic code does not a diseass make. A brief look through the history of those ICD and DSM codes emphasize how their are sorts of factors that go into establishing, revising, and retracting codes — political, administrative, clinical, epidemiological, etc etc In fact, it’s normal for a code to show up as a bucket to help broadly track purported cases well before any etiological basis or scientific consensus is established. The codes are more of an input to science than an output.
  - thegrim33 4y ago
    Is there zero evidence? No, of course not. However, the amount of evidence is so ridiculously skimpy, even after multiple years of study, that at this point I have no interest in entertaining the idea.
    - ljf 4y ago
      Really? https://www.science.org/content/article/blood-abnormalities-found-people-long-covid https://www.science.org/content/article/blood-abnormalities-...
    - roundandround 4y ago
      Chronic Fatigue Syndrome has a similar link to other viruses and fibromyalgia quite possibly does as well. They haven't really made a whole lot of progress on those for decades despite them each affecting a percent or two of the population.. My interest is less in long covid than in whether the medical community is finally going to get itself together on viral induced damage instead of making up funny names for different combinations of damage.
fxtentacle 4y ago
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- spokeonawheel 4y ago
  we would rather give all our money to the millionaires
- DontchaKnowit 4y ago
  Stereotypically american? Uh, I dont think so. Americans find this massively fucking weird. Now friends or family raising money locally on behalf of an ill loved one... that is more common
t11hrow 4y ago
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- ljf 4y ago
  Some people were debilitated for years after Spanish Flu, more recently people had very similar issues after getting SARs. The SARs long term impacts cross over really strongly with Long Covid. It would be great it is was hysteria, but sadly it isn't - I've had to watch my wife go through this (who wants nothing more than to live the life she once did). 3 years in she's vastly improved, but still has range of issues. It is so odd how people are so desperate to call bullshit on long covid, when they know so little about it.
  - t11hrow 4y ago
    Sorry, I don't buy it. Some people are just more prone to suggestion and then get stuck in a weird loop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania. > It is so odd how people are so desperate to call bullshit on long covid It's the other way around. This is something that didn't exist just a few years ago, that has no verifiable way to test it other than self-reports. Most of us have moved on, or weren't that scared of the virus itself. I think some people are desperate for long covid to be a thing.
    - ljf 4y ago
      Do you buy that some people were ill for a long time after SARs? After Spanish Flu? Check out https://www.science.org/content/article/blood-abnormalities-found-people-long-covid https://www.science.org/content/article/blood-abnormalities-... You started this by saying you had done zero research, if you want to chat more I'm happy to, there is plenty of study in this area.
    - Llamamoe 4y ago
      It absolutely existed, ME/CFS has been known for a long time, and persistent post-viral symptoms after other infections are a thing. Even if you find the evidence for long covid weak, there's much stronger evidence on the cardiovascular and neurological damage COVID causes, both of which can in turn explain long COVID.
ratg13 4y ago
I think they need a better definition of what 'long covid' is .. and even in the article they even also refer to 'severe long covid' .. and that these could get better after 7 months? I know it took me about a year and a half to recover.. I guess that puts me in the 'long covid' group although I have never really been diagnosed as such.. probably just due to my age and ability to 'deal' with it. (compared to older people) I imagine the numbers are probably higher than they suggest because I imagine most people who are sufferers are also just 'dealing' with it on their own.
- quartesixte 4y ago
  To support this anecdatally, I had severe pneumonia Senior Year in High School. Absolutely wrecked my health and athletic ability for years — and I was an active runner and participant in various combat sports. Severe infections and diseases wreck your body in the same way a car crash or a serious athletic injury does. It leaves a mark on the body. Long Covid seems real enough and we should do more to find ways to combat it from onset — I am afraid the current sufferers might only find mitigations and not total solutions.

45 points by apwheele 4y ago

I wish there was more research in hearing damage caused by COVID. I've always had weaker ears, tubes as a child, frequent inner-ear infections. And COVID pushed me over the edge. 24/7 screaming tinnitus.

whinenot 4y ago
Not to get too personal, but how's your blood pressure? If you have a cuff, may I suggest taking a reading when it's really bothersome. FWIW, I think COVID-HBP-Tinnitus is linked somehow.
- WirelessGigabit 4y ago
  Nothing personal about it. I wish more people shared their COVID journey. My blood pressure is fine. When this all started I was a super healthy guy. That said, I am on ADHD medication, but regardless of whether I take them or not, the beep is there. Even if I don't take them for multiple days. (I had hip surgery recently, so I put on some pounds). And I'll get a cuff. Thanks for suggesting.
  - whinenot 4y ago
    My tinnitus greatly increased along with my diastolic pressure post COVID. Correlation? Maybe. I hope you find some relief.

thegrim33 4y ago

The claim is that long covid happens in 4% of infections. The article links to a study as proof of this. The study is based on "self-reported long COVID" data. So, once again, zero scientific evidence for long covid, only that people reported that they thought they had long covid.

apwheele 4y ago
If you want to look to more objective measures, since late 2021 there has been a ICD code assigned to long Covid (so it is diagnosed by a medical professional, not self report). For example, https://www.dovepress.com/positive-predictive-value-of-the-icd-10-diagnosis-code-for-long-covid-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-CLEP https://www.dovepress.com/positive-predictive-value-of-the-i..., A Danish cohort of over 20k people that had a positive Covid test, 1.4% have subsequently been diagnosed with long Covid. Now, you could continue to be really skeptical (are these really Covid related, or would these have happened absent Covid?). To say zero scientific evidence though seems to me to be sticking your head in the sand.
- swatcoder 4y ago
  I’m sure some post-viral syndrome characteristic of Covid exists, but a diagnostic code does not a diseass make. A brief look through the history of those ICD and DSM codes emphasize how their are sorts of factors that go into establishing, revising, and retracting codes — political, administrative, clinical, epidemiological, etc etc In fact, it’s normal for a code to show up as a bucket to help broadly track purported cases well before any etiological basis or scientific consensus is established. The codes are more of an input to science than an output.
- thegrim33 4y ago
  Is there zero evidence? No, of course not. However, the amount of evidence is so ridiculously skimpy, even after multiple years of study, that at this point I have no interest in entertaining the idea.
  - ljf 4y ago
    Really? https://www.science.org/content/article/blood-abnormalities-found-people-long-covid https://www.science.org/content/article/blood-abnormalities-...
  - roundandround 4y ago
    Chronic Fatigue Syndrome has a similar link to other viruses and fibromyalgia quite possibly does as well. They haven't really made a whole lot of progress on those for decades despite them each affecting a percent or two of the population.. My interest is less in long covid than in whether the medical community is finally going to get itself together on viral induced damage instead of making up funny names for different combinations of damage.

fxtentacle 4y ago

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spokeonawheel 4y ago
we would rather give all our money to the millionaires
DontchaKnowit 4y ago
Stereotypically american? Uh, I dont think so. Americans find this massively fucking weird. Now friends or family raising money locally on behalf of an ill loved one... that is more common

t11hrow 4y ago

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ljf 4y ago
Some people were debilitated for years after Spanish Flu, more recently people had very similar issues after getting SARs. The SARs long term impacts cross over really strongly with Long Covid. It would be great it is was hysteria, but sadly it isn't - I've had to watch my wife go through this (who wants nothing more than to live the life she once did). 3 years in she's vastly improved, but still has range of issues. It is so odd how people are so desperate to call bullshit on long covid, when they know so little about it.
- t11hrow 4y ago
  Sorry, I don't buy it. Some people are just more prone to suggestion and then get stuck in a weird loop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania. > It is so odd how people are so desperate to call bullshit on long covid It's the other way around. This is something that didn't exist just a few years ago, that has no verifiable way to test it other than self-reports. Most of us have moved on, or weren't that scared of the virus itself. I think some people are desperate for long covid to be a thing.
  - ljf 4y ago
    Do you buy that some people were ill for a long time after SARs? After Spanish Flu? Check out https://www.science.org/content/article/blood-abnormalities-found-people-long-covid https://www.science.org/content/article/blood-abnormalities-... You started this by saying you had done zero research, if you want to chat more I'm happy to, there is plenty of study in this area.
  - Llamamoe 4y ago
    It absolutely existed, ME/CFS has been known for a long time, and persistent post-viral symptoms after other infections are a thing. Even if you find the evidence for long covid weak, there's much stronger evidence on the cardiovascular and neurological damage COVID causes, both of which can in turn explain long COVID.

ratg13 4y ago

I think they need a better definition of what 'long covid' is .. and even in the article they even also refer to 'severe long covid' .. and that these could get better after 7 months? I know it took me about a year and a half to recover.. I guess that puts me in the 'long covid' group although I have never really been diagnosed as such.. probably just due to my age and ability to 'deal' with it. (compared to older people) I imagine the numbers are probably higher than they suggest because I imagine most people who are sufferers are also just 'dealing' with it on their own.

quartesixte 4y ago
To support this anecdatally, I had severe pneumonia Senior Year in High School. Absolutely wrecked my health and athletic ability for years — and I was an active runner and participant in various combat sports. Severe infections and diseases wreck your body in the same way a car crash or a serious athletic injury does. It leaves a mark on the body. Long Covid seems real enough and we should do more to find ways to combat it from onset — I am afraid the current sufferers might only find mitigations and not total solutions.