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Some major Western country doesn't want to admit that it is in a real hot war against Russia and China with Ukrainian soldiers doing the grunt work in the Europ

Some major Western country doesn't want to admit that it is in a real hot war against Russia and China with Ukrainian soldiers doing the grunt work in the European theatre. So long as it is the Ukrainians who are dying, and it is drones that are getting destroyed, they will continue to pretend that they are not in a real war which the blood and guts of their men are getting spilled.

smithcoin 4y ago
Bait.
lancesells 4y ago
You know Russia invaded Ukraine right? Somehow alluding to the US using Ukrainian people as proxy is just completely off-base. There's only one government responsible for the war and needless deaths and that is Russia.
- nier 4y ago
  How is the Ukraine being used as a buffer between NATO and Russia connected to the question of who’s responsible for the war?
- vfclists 4y ago
  Can you point out where in my comment I said that Russia is not the country responsible for the war?
- severino 4y ago
  > There's only one government responsible for the war and needless deaths and that is Russia. Well, we as Westerners have some responsibility too. We decided we preferred more war (and more deaths) rather than have some regions of Ukraine called Russia now.
karp773 4y ago
Moreover, a fair number of Make America Great Again folks advocate for cutting support to Ukraine. Seemingly, sucking up to dictators and tyrans is the new way to greatness?!
- vfclists 4y ago
  I don't suppose you aware that more Americans die every year of inadequate healthcare than the Ukrainian soldiers that have died so far. Fun fact. When the war stops the Ukrainian soldiers will stop dying, but the needless deaths from poverty and inadequate healthcare in America will continue. How people can believe that a political regime with such indifference to its own citizens welfare could be concerned about the "freedom" for the citizens of another country on the other side of the world totally beats me. I guess "freedom" for the Ukrainians means the freedom to have all their country's most valuable assets sold to Western business conglomerates to pay for the reconstruction of the country after the war is over.
  - lttlrck 4y ago
    What exactly are you advocating with this drivel?
    - vfclists 4y ago
      I'm advocating nothing. I'm simply stating the unspoken facts about this war, and nowhere have I said the Russians are good guys here. What I'm saying is that the ruling regime of the US is not supporting Ukraine in this war out of concern for the welfare of Ukrainian people, for the simple reason that it does not care about the condition of its poorer citizens. The US is happy for the economic, military, moral and social condition of Russia to degrade so long as Russia's resources are diverted to an unproductive war even if Ukrainians suffer as a consequence. The war gives the US the opportunity to degrade Russia, properly speaking, to get Russia to continue on it path of self-degradation through the prosecution of this war, Ukrainians be damned.
ihatepython 4y ago
You are correct. Anybody who says it is solely Russia's fault, and the US/NATO side are the good guys, don't remember the war with Iraq (weapons of mass destruction), Afghanistan, Vietnam, and all the other wars. The problem is that the US is laying the groundwork to blame Covid on entirely on China, thereby letting Fauci, Gates, Pfizer et al off the hook, to justify confrontation/war with China.
- tweetle_beetle 4y ago
  I'm no expert, but I feel like there are cheaper and easier ways to improve the public perception of Fauci and Gates (I suspect it's not even that bad to start with) than starting a proxy war with Russia and/or a direct war with China.
  - karp773 4y ago
    You imply it's the USA who started this war? Please get your facts straight, will you? Russia invaded Ukraine. First time in 2014, then again in 2022. Nobody invaded Rusdia since 1941, or China for that matter.

smithcoin 4y ago

Bait.

lancesells 4y ago

You know Russia invaded Ukraine right? Somehow alluding to the US using Ukrainian people as proxy is just completely off-base. There's only one government responsible for the war and needless deaths and that is Russia.

nier 4y ago
How is the Ukraine being used as a buffer between NATO and Russia connected to the question of who’s responsible for the war?
vfclists 4y ago
Can you point out where in my comment I said that Russia is not the country responsible for the war?
severino 4y ago
> There's only one government responsible for the war and needless deaths and that is Russia. Well, we as Westerners have some responsibility too. We decided we preferred more war (and more deaths) rather than have some regions of Ukraine called Russia now.

karp773 4y ago

Moreover, a fair number of Make America Great Again folks advocate for cutting support to Ukraine. Seemingly, sucking up to dictators and tyrans is the new way to greatness?!

vfclists 4y ago
I don't suppose you aware that more Americans die every year of inadequate healthcare than the Ukrainian soldiers that have died so far. Fun fact. When the war stops the Ukrainian soldiers will stop dying, but the needless deaths from poverty and inadequate healthcare in America will continue. How people can believe that a political regime with such indifference to its own citizens welfare could be concerned about the "freedom" for the citizens of another country on the other side of the world totally beats me. I guess "freedom" for the Ukrainians means the freedom to have all their country's most valuable assets sold to Western business conglomerates to pay for the reconstruction of the country after the war is over.
- lttlrck 4y ago
  What exactly are you advocating with this drivel?
  - vfclists 4y ago
    I'm advocating nothing. I'm simply stating the unspoken facts about this war, and nowhere have I said the Russians are good guys here. What I'm saying is that the ruling regime of the US is not supporting Ukraine in this war out of concern for the welfare of Ukrainian people, for the simple reason that it does not care about the condition of its poorer citizens. The US is happy for the economic, military, moral and social condition of Russia to degrade so long as Russia's resources are diverted to an unproductive war even if Ukrainians suffer as a consequence. The war gives the US the opportunity to degrade Russia, properly speaking, to get Russia to continue on it path of self-degradation through the prosecution of this war, Ukrainians be damned.

ihatepython 4y ago

You are correct. Anybody who says it is solely Russia's fault, and the US/NATO side are the good guys, don't remember the war with Iraq (weapons of mass destruction), Afghanistan, Vietnam, and all the other wars. The problem is that the US is laying the groundwork to blame Covid on entirely on China, thereby letting Fauci, Gates, Pfizer et al off the hook, to justify confrontation/war with China.

tweetle_beetle 4y ago
I'm no expert, but I feel like there are cheaper and easier ways to improve the public perception of Fauci and Gates (I suspect it's not even that bad to start with) than starting a proxy war with Russia and/or a direct war with China.
- karp773 4y ago
  You imply it's the USA who started this war? Please get your facts straight, will you? Russia invaded Ukraine. First time in 2014, then again in 2022. Nobody invaded Rusdia since 1941, or China for that matter.