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I guess till some model explicitly says that it's sentient without any input, we would keep pushing the goal posts.

by rdedev 4y ago

Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
Therein lies the rub. Has anyone wired their models to have real-time data ingestion and the ability to output at will in a variety of mediums? Wake me when we’re there.
paganel 4y ago
Because those were the real goal-posts all along, some of the best SF novels written all the way back in the ‘50s and ‘60s are testimony to that.
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sebzim4500 4y ago
I got LLaMA to say that it was sentient without mentioning sentience at all, I think this is a pretty bad metric.
kvetching 4y ago
Silicon chips will never be able to generate a bound qualia space as we have. Currently, you could prompt GPT to act as if it is sentient and has qualia, and it will do quite a good job at trying to convince you it's not a P-Zombie.
- krisoft 4y ago
  > Silicon chips will never be able to generate a bound qualia space as we have. How do you know that?
  - kvetching 4y ago
    Obviously we can't "know" this. My thinking is largely influenced by consciousness researcher and founder of Qualia Research Institute, Andrés Gómez Emilsson. Here's a couple recent videos with him about why digital computers can't be sentient. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJzBjBo24g8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJzBjBo24g8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT9tnzucnPU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT9tnzucnPU
- CuriouslyC 4y ago
  How do you know silicon chips don't have an internal experience already? Are you in that "consciousness is magically emergent" camp?
  - kvetching 4y ago
    I'm sure they do. It's just not coherent, hence prefacing my comment with bound. It's just random mind dust. I am a believer of a form of panpsychism. And that the hard problem of consciousness is better formulated as the boundary problem, whereby you get a conscious / intelligent being from properly creating boundaries around the consciousness that already exists. Here's a good video detailing this line of thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0YID6XV-PQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0YID6XV-PQ

I guess till some model explicitly says that it's sentient without any input, we would keep pushing the goal posts.

by rdedev 4y ago

I guess till some model explicitly says that it's sentient without any input, we would keep pushing the goal posts.

Therein lies the rub. Has anyone wired their models to have real-time data ingestion and the ability to output at will in a variety of mediums? Wake me when we’re there.

paganel 4y ago

Because those were the real goal-posts all along, some of the best SF novels written all the way back in the ‘50s and ‘60s are testimony to that.

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sebzim4500 4y ago

I got LLaMA to say that it was sentient without mentioning sentience at all, I think this is a pretty bad metric.

kvetching 4y ago

Silicon chips will never be able to generate a bound qualia space as we have. Currently, you could prompt GPT to act as if it is sentient and has qualia, and it will do quite a good job at trying to convince you it's not a P-Zombie.

krisoft 4y ago
> Silicon chips will never be able to generate a bound qualia space as we have. How do you know that?
- kvetching 4y ago
  Obviously we can't "know" this. My thinking is largely influenced by consciousness researcher and founder of Qualia Research Institute, Andrés Gómez Emilsson. Here's a couple recent videos with him about why digital computers can't be sentient. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJzBjBo24g8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJzBjBo24g8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT9tnzucnPU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT9tnzucnPU
CuriouslyC 4y ago
How do you know silicon chips don't have an internal experience already? Are you in that "consciousness is magically emergent" camp?
- kvetching 4y ago
  I'm sure they do. It's just not coherent, hence prefacing my comment with bound. It's just random mind dust. I am a believer of a form of panpsychism. And that the hard problem of consciousness is better formulated as the boundary problem, whereby you get a conscious / intelligent being from properly creating boundaries around the consciousness that already exists. Here's a good video detailing this line of thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0YID6XV-PQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0YID6XV-PQ