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ACTA rapporteur denounces ACTA mascarade

120 points by wwwhizz 15y ago

koenigdavidmj 15y ago
Was `rapporteur' his actual English language title, or is there a better translation? It seems to correspond to the sponsor or original author of a bill.
- dangrossman 15y ago
  "mascarade" is masquerade in English; this isn't a very good translation.
  - hastur 15y ago
    Well, they did what they could. La Quadrature Du Net is a French site that also publishes in English. We should be glad that we could learn about this development.
    - Tharkun 15y ago
      They're a good bunch, and i'm sure they'd be happy if someone sent them a better translation. They're one of the most sensible groups of people fighting for freedom in europe, so please support them in any way you can.
  - thisisabore 15y ago
    It has been corrected, if you see anything else wrong with the translation, you can edit it, it's a wiki…
- sp332 15y ago
  Yes, but only because English shamelessly ripped off the term from French. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rapporteur http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rapporteur
  - FreakLegion 15y ago
    English partly developed out of French (specifically Anglo-Norman French) following the Norman invasion in 1066. Besides, it was French that shamelessly ripped off Vulgar Latin (re + portare, "to carry back")!
    - sp332 15y ago
      Sure, some of English is based on French, and there are a few words taken unmodified. But when it comes to legal terms, Norman French was used by lawyers in English-speaking countries for centuries. As a result, ideas and terms from French law are just taken wholesale by English-speaking legal systems (including grammar and syntax very foreign to English). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_French#Survivals_in_modern_legal_terminology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_French#Survivals_in_modern_...
      - FreakLegion 15y ago
        'S what I just said. From your link: "It [French] was used in the law courts of England, beginning with the Norman Conquest." If the average person habitually used legal terminology the way they use words like, say, "toilet," the Frenchness of those words would be completely inconspicuous.
  - jerf 15y ago
    A more proper adjective for the way in which English "rips off" other languages would be aggressively, rather than shamelessly. "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." - http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/James_Nicoll http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/James_Nicoll
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Vivtek 15y ago
So... he washes his hands of the whole affair after his job is done. Wouldn't it have been more effective to have exerted some influence on this process or leave it to spare his delicate moral sensibilities before it was too late?
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jerf 15y ago
"ou du peu de protection qu'il offre à nos indications géographiques". -> "or how little protection it gives to our geographical indications." Does anyone have a better translation of that phrase in context? I'm curious what it means. My best guess is a reference to the idea that different EU members should be allowed to have somewhat different rules, but that seems like a bit of a long shot. I'm thinking this is a technical political term that didn't come over well.
- notaddicted 15y ago
  I believe he is talking about trademark-like terms that designate the provenance of certain products, for example Cognac as opposed to brandy. For more see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation_d%27origine_contr%C3%B4l%C3%A9e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation_d%27origine_contr%C...
  - Loic 15y ago
    Yes, this is it. In Europe, this is something very important. For example, you can only name Camembert a Camembert cheese coming from the area around the Camembert village. As customers, it allows a quick check: this is the cheap "like" version, this is the real one as they have a European label on the packaging too.
    - jerf 15y ago
      Ah, yes, that does make more sense. Thank you both.
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febeling 15y ago
One problematic fact for trying to fend off this legislation is probably that google and wikipedia will likely not "go dark" for non-US proposed legislation.
- Zirro 15y ago
  The Italian Wikipedia was blacked out for such a proposal earlier. The rest of the European Wikipedias could do the same.
gala8y 15y ago
So.... I dont understand. Is he about to publish something?

120 points by wwwhizz 15y ago

Was `rapporteur' his actual English language title, or is there a better translation? It seems to correspond to the sponsor or original author of a bill.

dangrossman 15y ago
"mascarade" is masquerade in English; this isn't a very good translation.
- hastur 15y ago
  Well, they did what they could. La Quadrature Du Net is a French site that also publishes in English. We should be glad that we could learn about this development.
  - Tharkun 15y ago
    They're a good bunch, and i'm sure they'd be happy if someone sent them a better translation. They're one of the most sensible groups of people fighting for freedom in europe, so please support them in any way you can.
- thisisabore 15y ago
  It has been corrected, if you see anything else wrong with the translation, you can edit it, it's a wiki…
sp332 15y ago
Yes, but only because English shamelessly ripped off the term from French. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rapporteur http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rapporteur
- FreakLegion 15y ago
  English partly developed out of French (specifically Anglo-Norman French) following the Norman invasion in 1066. Besides, it was French that shamelessly ripped off Vulgar Latin (re + portare, "to carry back")!
  - sp332 15y ago
    Sure, some of English is based on French, and there are a few words taken unmodified. But when it comes to legal terms, Norman French was used by lawyers in English-speaking countries for centuries. As a result, ideas and terms from French law are just taken wholesale by English-speaking legal systems (including grammar and syntax very foreign to English). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_French#Survivals_in_modern_legal_terminology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_French#Survivals_in_modern_...
    - FreakLegion 15y ago
      'S what I just said. From your link: "It [French] was used in the law courts of England, beginning with the Norman Conquest." If the average person habitually used legal terminology the way they use words like, say, "toilet," the Frenchness of those words would be completely inconspicuous.
- jerf 15y ago
  A more proper adjective for the way in which English "rips off" other languages would be aggressively, rather than shamelessly. "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." - http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/James_Nicoll http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/James_Nicoll
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Vivtek 15y ago

So... he washes his hands of the whole affair after his job is done. Wouldn't it have been more effective to have exerted some influence on this process or leave it to spare his delicate moral sensibilities before it was too late?

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jerf 15y ago

"ou du peu de protection qu'il offre à nos indications géographiques". -> "or how little protection it gives to our geographical indications." Does anyone have a better translation of that phrase in context? I'm curious what it means. My best guess is a reference to the idea that different EU members should be allowed to have somewhat different rules, but that seems like a bit of a long shot. I'm thinking this is a technical political term that didn't come over well.

notaddicted 15y ago
I believe he is talking about trademark-like terms that designate the provenance of certain products, for example Cognac as opposed to brandy. For more see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation_d%27origine_contr%C3%B4l%C3%A9e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellation_d%27origine_contr%C...
- Loic 15y ago
  Yes, this is it. In Europe, this is something very important. For example, you can only name Camembert a Camembert cheese coming from the area around the Camembert village. As customers, it allows a quick check: this is the cheap "like" version, this is the real one as they have a European label on the packaging too.
  - jerf 15y ago
    Ah, yes, that does make more sense. Thank you both.
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febeling 15y ago

One problematic fact for trying to fend off this legislation is probably that google and wikipedia will likely not "go dark" for non-US proposed legislation.

Zirro 15y ago
The Italian Wikipedia was blacked out for such a proposal earlier. The rest of the European Wikipedias could do the same.

gala8y 15y ago

So.... I dont understand. Is he about to publish something?