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We're talking about H1B visas, which are non-immigrant visas which should be short-term. The only reason a company can obtain an H1B visa for an employee is to

We're talking about H1B visas, which are non-immigrant visas which should be short-term. The only reason a company can obtain an H1B visa for an employee is to certify they can't fill the role with domestic workers. Yeah, they're never going to fill the role with domestic workers if they don't have to train domestic workers. The wage equation is simple. More available labor means less wages. Nobody debates this. Let's not act like people here on H1B are some kind of humanitarian cause. They're the brightest and most educated in the country (according to H1B proponents anyway). My goal is to lift up impoverished people domestically. The best way to do this is to have more white collar jobs that lower-level workers can move into. If those roles are always filled, there's no need for scholarships or apprenticeships from companies to train the next generation of workers. They get to push the problem on the university system, and then ignore the vast majority of those graduates because they're only hiring 'senior level' positions.

the_mar 4y ago
So you want to lift up impoverished people in the US by exploiting immigrant labor? There are many reasons why companies hire H1B people and if you do as you suggest you remove any incentive for anyone to want to pursue H1B. The effect will only be detrimental to the US economy. As a highly skilled immigrant I have personally generated 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars in profits for the US corporations. There are already very strong incentives for companies to hire domestically, that already work to filter our the best and brightest and most capable people in the industry. Plus the US has spent $0 training those people. By the way I am not saying the US is obligated to hire H1B workers as some humanitarian cause, but if the US wants to continue hiring immigrant workers it has to be mutually beneficial.
- linuxftw 4y ago
  The 4 year limit is meant to be a process for training a domestic replacement, or otherwise a very short period of time (relatively) for the company to invest in whatever it needs to invest in to be competitive. The only lawful reason to bring in an H1B is that you cannot find that skill domestically. That's how the program works. Obviously, the program is being exploited by corporations to bring in low-wage workers that are beholden to them.
  - the_mar 4y ago
    I encourage you to look at H1B salary stats, you will see that majority are not even remotely low wage. Your argument about “the more skilled workers there are the cheaper the labor” is also backwards, this means we should all be trying really hard to ensure there are no new CS graduates to enter the workforce that will inevitably reduce our earnings. I’m all here for uplifting people in the US, but what you are advocating for is blatant exploitation. D As an older individual I have trained many younger professionals. I have and continue to be involved in university recruiting and many programs that support minorities in tech. How is that not contributing positively? If I was only allowed to be in the US for 4 or however few years, why would I give a single fuck about “girls who code”, or anything else that doesn’t maximize my financial gain the short term I am allowed to remain here? Also I would like to point out to you the difference between “non-immigrant visa” (which most visas fall into this category) that does not guarantee you a path to immigration if you choose to not pursue it, and imposing arbitrary limits on how long an individual can live and work in the country of their choice proven they are able find employment and sustain their life.
    - linuxftw 4y ago
      If you can't see how hundreds of thousands of extra employees in the labor pool depresses wages, I don't know what to tell you. > How is that not contributing positively? You understand that universities are the #1 gate keeper for the impoverished, right? Your company can afford to be highly selective with hiring candidates from universities because immigrants have created a surplus of labor. If there were not immigrants in these high paying jobs, the university pipeline would be inadequate to fulfill hiring goals, and they'd have to invest in either putting more people into universities or providing them with apprenticeships.
      - the_mar 4y ago
        Are you claiming that an employee with decades of experience can be replaced with a new grad willy-nilly? That's a false equivalency. A lot of things you seem to believe are incredibly backwards. Please educate yourself, because you do come off as xenophobic. Good place to start: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/h1b-visa-program-fact-sheet https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/h1b-visa...

the_mar 4y ago

So you want to lift up impoverished people in the US by exploiting immigrant labor? There are many reasons why companies hire H1B people and if you do as you suggest you remove any incentive for anyone to want to pursue H1B. The effect will only be detrimental to the US economy. As a highly skilled immigrant I have personally generated 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars in profits for the US corporations. There are already very strong incentives for companies to hire domestically, that already work to filter our the best and brightest and most capable people in the industry. Plus the US has spent $0 training those people. By the way I am not saying the US is obligated to hire H1B workers as some humanitarian cause, but if the US wants to continue hiring immigrant workers it has to be mutually beneficial.

linuxftw 4y ago
The 4 year limit is meant to be a process for training a domestic replacement, or otherwise a very short period of time (relatively) for the company to invest in whatever it needs to invest in to be competitive. The only lawful reason to bring in an H1B is that you cannot find that skill domestically. That's how the program works. Obviously, the program is being exploited by corporations to bring in low-wage workers that are beholden to them.
- the_mar 4y ago
  I encourage you to look at H1B salary stats, you will see that majority are not even remotely low wage. Your argument about “the more skilled workers there are the cheaper the labor” is also backwards, this means we should all be trying really hard to ensure there are no new CS graduates to enter the workforce that will inevitably reduce our earnings. I’m all here for uplifting people in the US, but what you are advocating for is blatant exploitation. D As an older individual I have trained many younger professionals. I have and continue to be involved in university recruiting and many programs that support minorities in tech. How is that not contributing positively? If I was only allowed to be in the US for 4 or however few years, why would I give a single fuck about “girls who code”, or anything else that doesn’t maximize my financial gain the short term I am allowed to remain here? Also I would like to point out to you the difference between “non-immigrant visa” (which most visas fall into this category) that does not guarantee you a path to immigration if you choose to not pursue it, and imposing arbitrary limits on how long an individual can live and work in the country of their choice proven they are able find employment and sustain their life.
  - linuxftw 4y ago
    If you can't see how hundreds of thousands of extra employees in the labor pool depresses wages, I don't know what to tell you. > How is that not contributing positively? You understand that universities are the #1 gate keeper for the impoverished, right? Your company can afford to be highly selective with hiring candidates from universities because immigrants have created a surplus of labor. If there were not immigrants in these high paying jobs, the university pipeline would be inadequate to fulfill hiring goals, and they'd have to invest in either putting more people into universities or providing them with apprenticeships.
    - the_mar 4y ago
      Are you claiming that an employee with decades of experience can be replaced with a new grad willy-nilly? That's a false equivalency. A lot of things you seem to believe are incredibly backwards. Please educate yourself, because you do come off as xenophobic. Good place to start: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/h1b-visa-program-fact-sheet https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/h1b-visa...