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So do I... There is a (literally) visceral feeling you get when eliminating plants (and frankly, even most supplements except minerals) that the gut is finally

So do I... There is a (literally) visceral feeling you get when eliminating plants (and frankly, even most supplements except minerals) that the gut is finally at rest / not disturbed, it becomes impossible to ignore that our digestive apparatus is primarily adapted for eating meat. Judging from the many anecdotes I've come across, breakdown of the gut barrier brought about / contributed by most plants is at the root of many diseases. Not the sole cause, I think gut microbiome disruption plays a big part in the bad effects from plants, but that's another story and there doesn't seem to be a solution for that yet (not enough to just chug copious amounts of probiotics).

shlant 4y ago
> breakdown of the gut barrier brought about / contributed by most plants is at the root of many diseases And yet we have a unending amount of evidence that consuming plants results in better health outcomes...
- lambdaba 4y ago
  This is discussing a strict carnivore (meat ONLY) diet. I'm not aware of such a comparison.
  - shlant 4y ago
    what comparison? If what you are saying is true - that eating plants = bad gut health = bad health outcomes - then we would see that in the data but instead we see the opposite.
SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
Would you say that cows are adapted for eating plants? Because boy do those animals fart, even just standing there in a field eating grass. I don't know what a gut "at rest" means, but I would suggest that it's not necessarily indicative of a diet that you're adapted to. In fact it seems like it's more of a psychological thing than anything else.
- lambdaba 4y ago
  Why would you dismiss it as "psychological" while admitting that you don't know what it means? Have you ever fasted? It feels like that. Re: cows. They have a rumen. And they are aided by bacteria to convert the plant matter into usable energy.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    Because it seems like the sort of thing something would say when they want to observe a change to justify a choice. And yes, cows are specifically adapted to consume plants and their guts are noisy. I'm using this as an example that just because you sensed a quieting in your intestines it doesn't mean it's positive. I'm admitting I don't know what it means and provided an example where a loud gut is indicative of adaptation, but you seem to be under the impression a quiet gut is a good thing. If you're using fasting as the comparison that seems to indicate you aren't digesting much at all, and I don't know how that's positive if your intestines are full.
    - lambdaba 4y ago
      I'm doing this for health reasons (as are hundreds of thousands of others, see "carnivore diet" or "zerocarb"). I was just sharing an observation I had because prior to eating this way I always had gut issues.
      - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
        In that case I honestly hope that you have luck with this diet. But keep in mind that millions of people in the 90's would have used health reasons as the reason they are cutting out animal fats and switching to margarine. It's hard to tell what's a harmful diet fad until it's over.
        lambdaba 4y ago
        It's the only thing that seems to work for certain autoimmune conditions. It's not a fad.

shlant 4y ago

> breakdown of the gut barrier brought about / contributed by most plants is at the root of many diseases And yet we have a unending amount of evidence that consuming plants results in better health outcomes...

lambdaba 4y ago
This is discussing a strict carnivore (meat ONLY) diet. I'm not aware of such a comparison.
- shlant 4y ago
  what comparison? If what you are saying is true - that eating plants = bad gut health = bad health outcomes - then we would see that in the data but instead we see the opposite.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

Would you say that cows are adapted for eating plants? Because boy do those animals fart, even just standing there in a field eating grass. I don't know what a gut "at rest" means, but I would suggest that it's not necessarily indicative of a diet that you're adapted to. In fact it seems like it's more of a psychological thing than anything else.

lambdaba 4y ago
Why would you dismiss it as "psychological" while admitting that you don't know what it means? Have you ever fasted? It feels like that. Re: cows. They have a rumen. And they are aided by bacteria to convert the plant matter into usable energy.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  Because it seems like the sort of thing something would say when they want to observe a change to justify a choice. And yes, cows are specifically adapted to consume plants and their guts are noisy. I'm using this as an example that just because you sensed a quieting in your intestines it doesn't mean it's positive. I'm admitting I don't know what it means and provided an example where a loud gut is indicative of adaptation, but you seem to be under the impression a quiet gut is a good thing. If you're using fasting as the comparison that seems to indicate you aren't digesting much at all, and I don't know how that's positive if your intestines are full.
  - lambdaba 4y ago
    I'm doing this for health reasons (as are hundreds of thousands of others, see "carnivore diet" or "zerocarb"). I was just sharing an observation I had because prior to eating this way I always had gut issues.
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
      In that case I honestly hope that you have luck with this diet. But keep in mind that millions of people in the 90's would have used health reasons as the reason they are cutting out animal fats and switching to margarine. It's hard to tell what's a harmful diet fad until it's over.
      - lambdaba 4y ago
        It's the only thing that seems to work for certain autoimmune conditions. It's not a fad.