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I need a textbook - I'm looking for something that would be given to first year Neuroscience students. I would prefer something low-level, but it would be nice

by wynand 18y ago

I need a textbook - I'm looking for something that would be given to first year Neuroscience students. I would prefer something low-level, but it would be nice if the book ties high-level concepts to the low-level concepts. I've wanted to do a Ph.D. for some time, but neither pure CS nor pure Maths (I have a masters in the latter) excites me anymore. Neuroscience interests me, but I want to make sure that I'm not deluding myself; therefore I'd like to work through a proper introductory text before making the next move. EDIT: Listened to my inner grammar Nazi and fixed capitalization & sentences.

robg 18y ago
Okay, that helps, thanks. For neuroscience first-year grad students, the gold standard is: http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Neural-Science-Eric-Kandel/dp/0838577016 http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Neural-Science-Eric-Kandel/... The fourth edition does a good job at higher-level stuff. But be forewarned: It is biology intensive. For less biology and more cognitive neuroscience, you can try: http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Neuroscience-Second-Michael-Gazzaniga/dp/0393977773 http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Neuroscience-Second-Michael-... or http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Neuroscience-Neuropsychology-Student-Text/dp/0618122109/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225647507&sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Neuroscience-Neuropsychology... I used the Gazzaniga when I taught Intro to Cognitive Neuroscience even as I wasn't super impressed (which is a common complaint - tolerance, not true acceptance). I know some folks like the Banich book instead. If, with your Math background, you're interested in neural computation and modeling there are also some good books along those lines. Just let me know and I'll hunt down the links.
- wynand 18y ago
  Thanks robg & toddml, I was particularly interested in Principles of Neural Science and it's good to see both of you endorsing it. I've already started teaching myself some first year biology (from a borrowed textbook), so I'm going for Principles.
  - robg 18y ago
    Happy to help. Focus on ions and channels if you're interested in neuron functions. That's a typical hangup for those new to biology. Some knowledge of the vascular system also helps. Otherwise, it mostly comes down to classifying cell types then brain and body regions.
psyklic 18y ago
Well, if you're looking for a textbook: Kandel is the gold standard, but it is quite hefty and technical -- a great slimmer one is "From Neuron to Brain" (advanced undergrad/early grad): http://www.amazon.com/Neuron-Brain-Cellular-Molecular-Approach/dp/0878934391 http://www.amazon.com/Neuron-Brain-Cellular-Molecular-Approa... If you're more interested in the computational end, try "Theoretical Neuroscience": http://www.amazon.com/Theoretical-Neuroscience-Computational-Mathematical-Modeling/dp/0262041995 http://www.amazon.com/Theoretical-Neuroscience-Computational... And I'll also add in a great computational textbook on spike recording: http://www.amazon.com/Spikes-Exploring-Neural-Computational-Neuroscience/dp/0262681080 http://www.amazon.com/Spikes-Exploring-Neural-Computational-... I'll also note that if you apply to a "Neuroscience" grad program, you're probably going to be doing biology experiments all day, or psychology experiments if you pursue cognitive neuroscience. If you want to use CS and Math, the best you can do in a neuroscience program is data analysis. Hence, I would recommend AI or Mathematical Psychology (though the latter is about modeling high-level events).
- robg 18y ago
  I agree on the first three and disagree on the last two points. I know neuroscientists that do few biology experiments, if at all. There are other ways to get data if you don't collect it yourself. I also know folks in Psychology programs that don't do psychology experiments, based on the same principle. For instance, different types of modeling allow for contributions that coincide with data but as theoretical and analytic tools. I wouldn't recommend Mathematical Psychology (too much theory, not enough application). I don't know enough about AI programs to comment.
  - psyklic 18y ago
    I should have clarified further ... by and large, if you apply to a program in "Neuroscience," you are applying to a program in "Neurobiology." For example, MIT has a huge Brain and Cognitive Sciences option, with a beautiful new building dedicated to Neuroscience. However, a few years ago I was told they only accepted one new student who applied only for computational work that year, since they have very few professors who would support computational work alone. The fact is that there are very few professors working on "Computational Neuroscience," which is basically modeling experimental results. (I consider this data analysis because most of your time is spent analyzing experimental data. But, its intention is to not only explain given data but to predict the results of future experiments.) Hence, if you apply to a neuroscience graduate program, there will usually only be one or two faculty members who do computational work. (There are some exceptions -- e.g. UCSD, Caltech.) Many programs won't even take you if you're only interested in computational work because if you somehow don't get along with the professor or it doesn't work out, you won't have a backup lab. AI programs are divorced from experiments, but they get at the "bigger issues" and are satisfying for CS people -- whereas computational neuroscience models very complex small systems. Unfortunately, computational neuroscience also seems to be struggling -- many biologists discredit it, saying that its only real breakthrough has been Hodgkin and Huxley's model of the action potential!

by wynand 18y ago

robg 18y ago

Okay, that helps, thanks. For neuroscience first-year grad students, the gold standard is: http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Neural-Science-Eric-Kandel/dp/0838577016 http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Neural-Science-Eric-Kandel/... The fourth edition does a good job at higher-level stuff. But be forewarned: It is biology intensive. For less biology and more cognitive neuroscience, you can try: http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Neuroscience-Second-Michael-Gazzaniga/dp/0393977773 http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Neuroscience-Second-Michael-... or http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Neuroscience-Neuropsychology-Student-Text/dp/0618122109/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225647507&sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Neuroscience-Neuropsychology... I used the Gazzaniga when I taught Intro to Cognitive Neuroscience even as I wasn't super impressed (which is a common complaint - tolerance, not true acceptance). I know some folks like the Banich book instead. If, with your Math background, you're interested in neural computation and modeling there are also some good books along those lines. Just let me know and I'll hunt down the links.

wynand 18y ago
Thanks robg & toddml, I was particularly interested in Principles of Neural Science and it's good to see both of you endorsing it. I've already started teaching myself some first year biology (from a borrowed textbook), so I'm going for Principles.
- robg 18y ago
  Happy to help. Focus on ions and channels if you're interested in neuron functions. That's a typical hangup for those new to biology. Some knowledge of the vascular system also helps. Otherwise, it mostly comes down to classifying cell types then brain and body regions.

psyklic 18y ago

Well, if you're looking for a textbook: Kandel is the gold standard, but it is quite hefty and technical -- a great slimmer one is "From Neuron to Brain" (advanced undergrad/early grad): http://www.amazon.com/Neuron-Brain-Cellular-Molecular-Approach/dp/0878934391 http://www.amazon.com/Neuron-Brain-Cellular-Molecular-Approa... If you're more interested in the computational end, try "Theoretical Neuroscience": http://www.amazon.com/Theoretical-Neuroscience-Computational-Mathematical-Modeling/dp/0262041995 http://www.amazon.com/Theoretical-Neuroscience-Computational... And I'll also add in a great computational textbook on spike recording: http://www.amazon.com/Spikes-Exploring-Neural-Computational-Neuroscience/dp/0262681080 http://www.amazon.com/Spikes-Exploring-Neural-Computational-... I'll also note that if you apply to a "Neuroscience" grad program, you're probably going to be doing biology experiments all day, or psychology experiments if you pursue cognitive neuroscience. If you want to use CS and Math, the best you can do in a neuroscience program is data analysis. Hence, I would recommend AI or Mathematical Psychology (though the latter is about modeling high-level events).

robg 18y ago
I agree on the first three and disagree on the last two points. I know neuroscientists that do few biology experiments, if at all. There are other ways to get data if you don't collect it yourself. I also know folks in Psychology programs that don't do psychology experiments, based on the same principle. For instance, different types of modeling allow for contributions that coincide with data but as theoretical and analytic tools. I wouldn't recommend Mathematical Psychology (too much theory, not enough application). I don't know enough about AI programs to comment.
- psyklic 18y ago
  I should have clarified further ... by and large, if you apply to a program in "Neuroscience," you are applying to a program in "Neurobiology." For example, MIT has a huge Brain and Cognitive Sciences option, with a beautiful new building dedicated to Neuroscience. However, a few years ago I was told they only accepted one new student who applied only for computational work that year, since they have very few professors who would support computational work alone. The fact is that there are very few professors working on "Computational Neuroscience," which is basically modeling experimental results. (I consider this data analysis because most of your time is spent analyzing experimental data. But, its intention is to not only explain given data but to predict the results of future experiments.) Hence, if you apply to a neuroscience graduate program, there will usually only be one or two faculty members who do computational work. (There are some exceptions -- e.g. UCSD, Caltech.) Many programs won't even take you if you're only interested in computational work because if you somehow don't get along with the professor or it doesn't work out, you won't have a backup lab. AI programs are divorced from experiments, but they get at the "bigger issues" and are satisfying for CS people -- whereas computational neuroscience models very complex small systems. Unfortunately, computational neuroscience also seems to be struggling -- many biologists discredit it, saying that its only real breakthrough has been Hodgkin and Huxley's model of the action potential!