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No, I don't think it is. The noun "L" in HTML is "Language", so "HTML markup" means that the markup is written in the HyperText Markup Language. Now, "HTML Lang

No, I don't think it is. The noun "L" in HTML is "Language", so "HTML markup" means that the markup is written in the HyperText Markup Language. Now, "HTML Language" would be redundant.

Hexstream 18y ago
Uh?... Isn't HyperText Markup Language markup redundant?
- Prrometheus 18y ago
  No, you can have markup in plenty of other languages. Thus, the modifier "HTML" adds information to its subject, the "markup". The subject of the modifier is also important, as it makes clear that you are talking about some specific markup written in HTML and not HTML in general.
  - gnaritas 18y ago
    You're wrong, it's redundant, saying hyper text markup language markup sounds ignorant. Your defense makes zero sense.
    - Herring 18y ago
      Guys, what do you say we dial down the whole power-nerd thing a little bit, okay? This really doesn't matter.
      - Hexstream 18y ago
        Agreed, redundant duplicates saying the same thing them both pose no problem to clear communication. edit: http://xkcd.com/386/ http://xkcd.com/386/
      - rwebb 18y ago
        it's hilarious. don't ruin it.
  - Hexstream 18y ago
    You're being silly. I meant that "Secret in Digg's HTML" is better of course, not "Secret in Digg's markup", which is obviously less precise. But "Secret in Digg's HTML markup" is blatantly redundant. edit: Wouldn't you agree that "Digg's HTML" provides exactly as much information as "Digg's HTML markup"? If so then "markup" is clearly redundant. You're really missing the point by saying that not all markup is HTML. All HTML is markup, it's the HyperText Markup Language. Damn. edit-ps: It's really annoying that I only see my own message when editing, I should see at least the immediate parent also. edit2: "HTML" does add information to "markup", but markup doesn't add information to "HTML". "HTML" is a "strict subset" of "markup".
    - Prrometheus 18y ago
      It might not be an elegant choice of words, but it is not redundant in the same way that "PIN number" is redundant.
      - Angostura 18y ago
        It is redundant in precisely the same way.
        Prrometheus 18y ago
        It is different. "PIN Number" repeats the noun twice. "HTML Markup" uses "markup" twice, but the first instance is a different use than the second instance. In the first instance, it is used as a descriptor for the language. In the second instance, it is used to describe the thing that is written in the language. Now the question is, can HTML be used in a sentence about something other than markup, thereby making the use of "markup" in "HTML markup" redundant? I think it can, because one can discuss HTML in general (the rules, the state of the latest version, etc) without referring to some specific markup under discussion. So, I don't think it is the same kind of thing as "PIN Number" or "HTML Language".
        Angostura 18y ago
        In the latter instance, the term you are looking for is not 'Markup' it is 'source' or 'text'.
- jules 18y ago
  Which one would you remove? Secret message in Digg's HyperText Markup Language Secret message in Digg's HyperText Language Markup

No, I don't think it is. The noun "L" in HTML is "Language", so "HTML markup" means that the markup is written in the HyperText Markup Language. Now, "HTML Language" would be redundant.

Hexstream 18y ago

Uh?... Isn't HyperText Markup Language markup redundant?

Prrometheus 18y ago
No, you can have markup in plenty of other languages. Thus, the modifier "HTML" adds information to its subject, the "markup". The subject of the modifier is also important, as it makes clear that you are talking about some specific markup written in HTML and not HTML in general.
- gnaritas 18y ago
  You're wrong, it's redundant, saying hyper text markup language markup sounds ignorant. Your defense makes zero sense.
  - Herring 18y ago
    Guys, what do you say we dial down the whole power-nerd thing a little bit, okay? This really doesn't matter.
    - Hexstream 18y ago
      Agreed, redundant duplicates saying the same thing them both pose no problem to clear communication. edit: http://xkcd.com/386/ http://xkcd.com/386/
    - rwebb 18y ago
      it's hilarious. don't ruin it.
- Hexstream 18y ago
  You're being silly. I meant that "Secret in Digg's HTML" is better of course, not "Secret in Digg's markup", which is obviously less precise. But "Secret in Digg's HTML markup" is blatantly redundant. edit: Wouldn't you agree that "Digg's HTML" provides exactly as much information as "Digg's HTML markup"? If so then "markup" is clearly redundant. You're really missing the point by saying that not all markup is HTML. All HTML is markup, it's the HyperText Markup Language. Damn. edit-ps: It's really annoying that I only see my own message when editing, I should see at least the immediate parent also. edit2: "HTML" does add information to "markup", but markup doesn't add information to "HTML". "HTML" is a "strict subset" of "markup".
  - Prrometheus 18y ago
    It might not be an elegant choice of words, but it is not redundant in the same way that "PIN number" is redundant.
    - Angostura 18y ago
      It is redundant in precisely the same way.
      - Prrometheus 18y ago
        It is different. "PIN Number" repeats the noun twice. "HTML Markup" uses "markup" twice, but the first instance is a different use than the second instance. In the first instance, it is used as a descriptor for the language. In the second instance, it is used to describe the thing that is written in the language. Now the question is, can HTML be used in a sentence about something other than markup, thereby making the use of "markup" in "HTML markup" redundant? I think it can, because one can discuss HTML in general (the rules, the state of the latest version, etc) without referring to some specific markup under discussion. So, I don't think it is the same kind of thing as "PIN Number" or "HTML Language".
        Angostura 18y ago
        In the latter instance, the term you are looking for is not 'Markup' it is 'source' or 'text'.
jules 18y ago
Which one would you remove? Secret message in Digg's HyperText Markup Language Secret message in Digg's HyperText Language Markup