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I like how you ignored the truest reason: they don't want to pay for it, and they don't really care if the current hardware can actually solve FSD. There's no

I like how you ignored the truest reason: they don't want to pay for it, and they don't really care if the current hardware can actually solve FSD. There's no way you can argue it was done in good faith when it was an arbitrary transition where some functionality hadn't even been solved yet and was disabled if your car didn't come with ultrasonic sensors. And to add to the comical levels of disregard for buyers, the official advice for finding out if your order would have ultrasonic sensors was: "Look for the 12 sensors on your vehicle", ie you didn't know until you paid and it was a roulette wheel.

ororroro 4y ago
I don't think the price of a $10 sensor would trump Elon's desire to be right about vision. Price was a factor for not using the larger, longer range lidars though since that cost more than planned price of the vehicle ~10 years ago.
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  > I don't think the price of a $10 sensor would trump Elon's desire to be right about vision. You don't know how manufacturing works, especially in a post-COVID world. Tesla almost certainly couldn't source the ones they were using: That mystical "chip shortage" is a general component shortage. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/12/these-chevy-models-get-limited-park-assist-availability/ https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/12/these-chevy-models-get-... - Now it's not like there are no ultrasonic sensors to be had, but they would have had to pay for tooling changes, design verification, assembly changes... easily 10s of millions of dollars for what you're brushing off as "the price of a $10 sensor" Their options were remove the sensors and be transparent about why, or throw up a smoke screen with idle gibberish about vision was definitely better despite needing to cut features that had been practically solved nearly a decade earlier. Guess which they chose. > Price was a factor for not using the larger, longer range lidars though since that cost more than planned price of the vehicle ~10 years ago. Good thing I didn't say or remotely imply that? Overall I think your type of blustering works better on people not working in the AV field.

ororroro 4y ago

I don't think the price of a $10 sensor would trump Elon's desire to be right about vision. Price was a factor for not using the larger, longer range lidars though since that cost more than planned price of the vehicle ~10 years ago.

BoorishBears 4y ago
> I don't think the price of a $10 sensor would trump Elon's desire to be right about vision. You don't know how manufacturing works, especially in a post-COVID world. Tesla almost certainly couldn't source the ones they were using: That mystical "chip shortage" is a general component shortage. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/12/these-chevy-models-get-limited-park-assist-availability/ https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/12/these-chevy-models-get-... - Now it's not like there are no ultrasonic sensors to be had, but they would have had to pay for tooling changes, design verification, assembly changes... easily 10s of millions of dollars for what you're brushing off as "the price of a $10 sensor" Their options were remove the sensors and be transparent about why, or throw up a smoke screen with idle gibberish about vision was definitely better despite needing to cut features that had been practically solved nearly a decade earlier. Guess which they chose. > Price was a factor for not using the larger, longer range lidars though since that cost more than planned price of the vehicle ~10 years ago. Good thing I didn't say or remotely imply that? Overall I think your type of blustering works better on people not working in the AV field.