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I do think the push for ethics in AI is important. As much as these functions do get sidelined in the prioritization process as outlined in the parent comment,

I do think the push for ethics in AI is important. As much as these functions do get sidelined in the prioritization process as outlined in the parent comment, the intent of introducing the rigor is valid.

killjoywashere 4y ago
Medical research cleared this hurdle a long time ago. Table 1 is always demographics of your population sample, allowing outsiders to assess your generalizability by age, gender, race, and a host of other factors that are often context-dependent.
tbrownaw 4y ago
Thing is, what gets called "AI ethics" actually has approximately* nothing to do with AI. It's all about whichever field the particular use-case belongs to, and would lose nothing by seeing the AI as a black box. * IIRC there have been issues with models that find correlations being presented as finding causality. That is something that belongs to AI as a field; other people can't evaluate your stuff accurately if you've misinformed them about its capabilities.
peppermint_gum 4y ago
I agree AI ethics is important, but unfortunately, the field is dominated by frauds. Do you remember the drama[1] with Google's AI ethics team? Here's a sample of the "research" they were producing: https://s10251.pcdn.co/pdf/2021-bender-parrots.pdf https://s10251.pcdn.co/pdf/2021-bender-parrots.pdf [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timnit_Gebru#Exit_from_Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timnit_Gebru#Exit_from_Google
- narrator 4y ago
  Google has been having a hard time making an LLM product. It's sad to see them having this sort of ordering the burning of the ships of Zheng He moment.
- jamilton 4y ago
  Why scare quotes on research? I feel like you should just say why you think it's not good.
- hughesjj 4y ago
  How is Timnit a fraud? Why are you scare quoting "research"? It's well written imo and has over 128 sources. I'd think that in light of all the problems we've seen with chatGPT "hallucinating" answers it reinforces their concerns about "stochastic parrots" more than anything. I mean, if you have specific grievances, please do share them as this is an important conversation, but as of now your comment amounts to mudslinging and no substance.

killjoywashere 4y ago

Medical research cleared this hurdle a long time ago. Table 1 is always demographics of your population sample, allowing outsiders to assess your generalizability by age, gender, race, and a host of other factors that are often context-dependent.

tbrownaw 4y ago

Thing is, what gets called "AI ethics" actually has approximately* nothing to do with AI. It's all about whichever field the particular use-case belongs to, and would lose nothing by seeing the AI as a black box. * IIRC there have been issues with models that find correlations being presented as finding causality. That is something that belongs to AI as a field; other people can't evaluate your stuff accurately if you've misinformed them about its capabilities.

peppermint_gum 4y ago

I agree AI ethics is important, but unfortunately, the field is dominated by frauds. Do you remember the drama[1] with Google's AI ethics team? Here's a sample of the "research" they were producing: https://s10251.pcdn.co/pdf/2021-bender-parrots.pdf https://s10251.pcdn.co/pdf/2021-bender-parrots.pdf [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timnit_Gebru#Exit_from_Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timnit_Gebru#Exit_from_Google

narrator 4y ago
Google has been having a hard time making an LLM product. It's sad to see them having this sort of ordering the burning of the ships of Zheng He moment.
jamilton 4y ago
Why scare quotes on research? I feel like you should just say why you think it's not good.
hughesjj 4y ago
How is Timnit a fraud? Why are you scare quoting "research"? It's well written imo and has over 128 sources. I'd think that in light of all the problems we've seen with chatGPT "hallucinating" answers it reinforces their concerns about "stochastic parrots" more than anything. I mean, if you have specific grievances, please do share them as this is an important conversation, but as of now your comment amounts to mudslinging and no substance.