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Sadly enough, this makes a lot of sense to me and seems to be exactly what's happening.

jongjong 4y ago
How is the breakdown of trust a bad thing in this case? All that incestuous, unwarranted mutual trust and people helping each other only serves to shield the lazy and incompetent. What is that trust based on? It's based on nothing. For the most part, people in SV have no shared values aside from a desire to get rich at all costs (which is common, though maybe not universally shared). Such forms of trust should not exist. That kind of goal-oriented trust is the kind of trust you see in criminal organizations, not the kind of trust which drives a functioning society. Relationships should be founded on shared values, not shared goals. Because once most members of the group have reached their goals, what's left to bind them to the rest of the group? Nothing. Of course they will (and should) throw the rest of the group under the bus as soon as they are able. It's not the same group which initially signed up for anyway, it changed.
- maxlamb 4y ago
  Trust is shared values, not shared goals.
  - jongjong 4y ago
    That's one interpretation but many people are incapable of separating the two so they have a different definition of trust. For example, if one has blackmail on someone else and both parties know it, the one who knows the dirt may feel that they 'trust' the other because of the fear that they instill in the other. E.g. I may say that I trust my bank with my money but, in fact, I have no shared values with them. I only trust them to the extent that I know that their executives are well off and they don't want to go to jail. I assume that they will do everything they can within the law to screw me over though, so my trust is limited.
    - maxlamb 4y ago
      I’m sorry but if you think someone won’t harm you only because you have dirt on them, then neither of you really trust each other. Trust means you are confident that other person will not harm you regardless of what you have.
- ghusto 4y ago
  This is so blindingly accurate that it had to be downvoted. How telling.

How is the breakdown of trust a bad thing in this case? All that incestuous, unwarranted mutual trust and people helping each other only serves to shield the lazy and incompetent. What is that trust based on? It's based on nothing. For the most part, people in SV have no shared values aside from a desire to get rich at all costs (which is common, though maybe not universally shared). Such forms of trust should not exist. That kind of goal-oriented trust is the kind of trust you see in criminal organizations, not the kind of trust which drives a functioning society. Relationships should be founded on shared values, not shared goals. Because once most members of the group have reached their goals, what's left to bind them to the rest of the group? Nothing. Of course they will (and should) throw the rest of the group under the bus as soon as they are able. It's not the same group which initially signed up for anyway, it changed.

maxlamb 4y ago
Trust is shared values, not shared goals.
- jongjong 4y ago
  That's one interpretation but many people are incapable of separating the two so they have a different definition of trust. For example, if one has blackmail on someone else and both parties know it, the one who knows the dirt may feel that they 'trust' the other because of the fear that they instill in the other. E.g. I may say that I trust my bank with my money but, in fact, I have no shared values with them. I only trust them to the extent that I know that their executives are well off and they don't want to go to jail. I assume that they will do everything they can within the law to screw me over though, so my trust is limited.
  - maxlamb 4y ago
    I’m sorry but if you think someone won’t harm you only because you have dirt on them, then neither of you really trust each other. Trust means you are confident that other person will not harm you regardless of what you have.
ghusto 4y ago
This is so blindingly accurate that it had to be downvoted. How telling.