Agreed. I think it's less exciting if you're the lone wolf coder sitting in your room optimizing the hell out of a language. With all the abstractions availab

Agreed. I think it's less exciting if you're the lone wolf coder sitting in your room optimizing the hell out of a language. With all the abstractions available nowadays programmers have gone away from developing their own frameworks to utilizing several to make something much bigger than they could have int he past. I understand that making your own sockets or database interface library might not be as exciting as rolling your own. However I feel that it's much easier for nearly anybody to pick stuff off the shelf and make something amazing which we all benefit from.