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I think the Bored Ape thing was a perfect illustration of who is provided with revenue by NFTs.

by jtode 4y ago

1attice 4y ago
You aren't wrong, and again, I am at pains to indicate that I don't support NFTs, was disappointed with NFTs, and I genuinely believe they're a standout sign of cultural decay. Again, my concern is for the artists who were briefly given hope, however false. For context, this book is helpful: https://www.amazon.com/Death-Artist-Creators-Struggling-Billionaires/dp/B083QMCJ5H/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=death+of+the+artist&qid=1678749374&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/Death-Artist-Creators-Struggling-Bill...
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Artists can easily make money, they just have to produce what the market demands, like any other business. Draw furry porn comics and paywall them behind patreon and watch the cash roll in. Of course no one was going to pay $1000 for landscape_digital_painting.png which you can get a dime a million on dall-e.
  - 1attice 4y ago
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    - libraryatnight 4y ago
      There's lots of ways for artists to make money professionally (probably not paid enough in the corporate creative world, but nft's were never an answer to that issue, an issue plaguing a lot of industries and professions lately) and independently. I appreciate that it would be nice if everyone who painted or sang or wrote could support themselves with that passion, but if nobody is buying what you're selling NFTs weren't going to help. There's so much more than the art that goes into supporting oneself with art, and at that point it very much intersects with business. NFTs are just one more thing to sell if you have the thing a starving artist doesn't - an audience.
    - 1attice 4y ago
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      - JohnFen 4y ago
        I didn't downvote you, but I respectfully submit that it's possible that the people who did do so, and gigachad, understand the underlying issues and simply disagree with you.
      - lgeorget 4y ago
        I think the reason that comment was downvoated is because "you need to read more about the issue" is not a rational argument. In the wrong context, it may even sound like an ad hominem.
      - piqi 4y ago
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  - jandrese 4y ago
    Nope, Gigachad is exactly correct. If you want to make money as an artist you have to make stuff that other people want to buy. If you only make art that speaks to your unique soul then the market may consist of only yourself. This is hardly a new phenomenon. Artists today have more ways of getting paid than ever, but it is still a buyers market.
  - politician 4y ago
    What's really interesting is the last gasp of digital art represented by NFTs when DALL-E and Stable Diffusion were literally right around the corner, days away. If DALL-E emerged before NFTs, I don't think we would have seen them gain any traction _at all_.
- pornel 4y ago
  In the original post you've called it an "attempt to provide artists with revenue" and let's be clear it was never that. The only attempt was to provide revenue for Facebook, and both NFT scammers and Facebook only used artists as a fig leaf for the get-rich-quick scheme of wash trades and piracy.
  - 1attice 4y ago
    At pain of downvoting, I respectfully need to ask if you read the article? It literally describes an effort by Meta to put NFTs to use for artists. Again, decay.

I think the Bored Ape thing was a perfect illustration of who is provided with revenue by NFTs.

by jtode 4y ago

I think the Bored Ape thing was a perfect illustration of who is provided with revenue by NFTs.

You aren't wrong, and again, I am at pains to indicate that I don't support NFTs, was disappointed with NFTs, and I genuinely believe they're a standout sign of cultural decay. Again, my concern is for the artists who were briefly given hope, however false. For context, this book is helpful: https://www.amazon.com/Death-Artist-Creators-Struggling-Billionaires/dp/B083QMCJ5H/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=death+of+the+artist&qid=1678749374&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/Death-Artist-Creators-Struggling-Bill...

Gigachad 4y ago
Artists can easily make money, they just have to produce what the market demands, like any other business. Draw furry porn comics and paywall them behind patreon and watch the cash roll in. Of course no one was going to pay $1000 for landscape_digital_painting.png which you can get a dime a million on dall-e.
- 1attice 4y ago
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  - libraryatnight 4y ago
    There's lots of ways for artists to make money professionally (probably not paid enough in the corporate creative world, but nft's were never an answer to that issue, an issue plaguing a lot of industries and professions lately) and independently. I appreciate that it would be nice if everyone who painted or sang or wrote could support themselves with that passion, but if nobody is buying what you're selling NFTs weren't going to help. There's so much more than the art that goes into supporting oneself with art, and at that point it very much intersects with business. NFTs are just one more thing to sell if you have the thing a starving artist doesn't - an audience.
  - 1attice 4y ago
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    - JohnFen 4y ago
      I didn't downvote you, but I respectfully submit that it's possible that the people who did do so, and gigachad, understand the underlying issues and simply disagree with you.
    - lgeorget 4y ago
      I think the reason that comment was downvoated is because "you need to read more about the issue" is not a rational argument. In the wrong context, it may even sound like an ad hominem.
    - piqi 4y ago
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- jandrese 4y ago
  Nope, Gigachad is exactly correct. If you want to make money as an artist you have to make stuff that other people want to buy. If you only make art that speaks to your unique soul then the market may consist of only yourself. This is hardly a new phenomenon. Artists today have more ways of getting paid than ever, but it is still a buyers market.
- politician 4y ago
  What's really interesting is the last gasp of digital art represented by NFTs when DALL-E and Stable Diffusion were literally right around the corner, days away. If DALL-E emerged before NFTs, I don't think we would have seen them gain any traction _at all_.
pornel 4y ago
In the original post you've called it an "attempt to provide artists with revenue" and let's be clear it was never that. The only attempt was to provide revenue for Facebook, and both NFT scammers and Facebook only used artists as a fig leaf for the get-rich-quick scheme of wash trades and piracy.
- 1attice 4y ago
  At pain of downvoting, I respectfully need to ask if you read the article? It literally describes an effort by Meta to put NFTs to use for artists. Again, decay.