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This has a very ominous inevitable tone to it. I question how wise it is to even publish an article with this tone given how grave the consequences of such a wa

This has a very ominous inevitable tone to it. I question how wise it is to even publish an article with this tone given how grave the consequences of such a war would be. Just reading the title sent a chill for me. Any war like that will push the whole world into protracted recession and it will be hell for every country.

Invictus0 4y ago
Is your head in the sand? The US has been preparing for this war for years.
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  Yes that’s manufactured consent. Not a good thing. Being surprised by BS nationalism is good. People should be shocked by how bad this is for the world.
avgcorrection 4y ago
The Press’ place is to massage public opinion. It is not their place to worry about the consequences of yelling Fire.
- flandish 4y ago
  Except for when they are a purchased tool for a philosophy called “manufactured consent.” Remember all those articles about why we “should” go invade iraq? Or that report about a completely fabricated gulf of tonkin incident? The media has a duty to report facts, only after they know them to be facts. Well.. they used to have that duty. Now it’s just clickbait.
  - avgcorrection 4y ago
    That’s what I meant by massage public opinion.
sb618 4y ago
I definitely appreciate that inflammatory articles might push us closer to war but it also seems rather dangerous to cover up anything that suggests war. That feels a bit reminiscent of Neville Chamberlain before WWII.
- woooooo 4y ago
  It's been entirely media driven since 2018 on the topic. Nobody cared about China before then, and they wouldn't care now if it weren't for the constant hype. Anyone recall even seeing the acronym "CCP" in print before 2018 or so? Then suddenly it's ubiquitous and everyone knows it.
  - musicale 4y ago
    I gather you've never seen the print edition of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times or suffered through endless advertisements for Shen Yun. Edit: according to above, they've pivoted somewhat in terms of their political stance and direction since 2016. Apparently Doctor Strange 2 ran afoul of censors for neglecting to scrub out an Epoch Times newspaper box that appeared briefly in a scene shot on location in New York.
    - woooooo 4y ago
      I have. Shen yun are Taiwanese and really big on the KMT above and beyond the typical dance group, while epoch times is run by Falun gong people. Both dislike the ccp for their own obvious insider reasons. (Epoch times pivot to trumpland is an obvious play for them, works way better than natsec libs). I wouldn't credit them for mainstream media's turn, though. We need a big bad and afghan goat farmers weren't cutting it.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Blaming "Chinese" or "China" looks like racist in recent years so people want to blame the problem itself: CCP
    - 4y ago
ihateyouall123 4y ago
Seeing a lot of anti-free speech comments like this. This isn't even about supporting an asshole who claims "free speech." This is information with a certain tone, so are you anti-information with someone that has a certain tone?
- goerz 4y ago
  I don’t think questioning whether someone’s speech is “wise” is limiting their free speech
- deleted 4y ago
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- skinnymuch 4y ago
  Free speech is a facade. It never existed. It’s right wing agitprop.
calyth2018 4y ago
Like others pointed out, it's just manufacturing consent. The stated aim on the mainland side is reunification. Anyone with two brain cells would know that bombing a place to shit and then try to run it is going to be hell. See Iraq. Taiwan knows that if they go for de jure independence, then that will leave the mainland with no choice but military action. US knows that this is the juiciest way to do a Bait and Bleed (using Mearsheimer's terms), and will do whatever it takes to drum up the possibility while not directly engaging in an armed conflict with China. This is just standard operating procedures when you have more than hegemons in the world.

Invictus0 4y ago

Is your head in the sand? The US has been preparing for this war for years.

skinnymuch 4y ago
Yes that’s manufactured consent. Not a good thing. Being surprised by BS nationalism is good. People should be shocked by how bad this is for the world.

avgcorrection 4y ago

The Press’ place is to massage public opinion. It is not their place to worry about the consequences of yelling Fire.

flandish 4y ago
Except for when they are a purchased tool for a philosophy called “manufactured consent.” Remember all those articles about why we “should” go invade iraq? Or that report about a completely fabricated gulf of tonkin incident? The media has a duty to report facts, only after they know them to be facts. Well.. they used to have that duty. Now it’s just clickbait.
- avgcorrection 4y ago
  That’s what I meant by massage public opinion.

sb618 4y ago

I definitely appreciate that inflammatory articles might push us closer to war but it also seems rather dangerous to cover up anything that suggests war. That feels a bit reminiscent of Neville Chamberlain before WWII.

woooooo 4y ago
It's been entirely media driven since 2018 on the topic. Nobody cared about China before then, and they wouldn't care now if it weren't for the constant hype. Anyone recall even seeing the acronym "CCP" in print before 2018 or so? Then suddenly it's ubiquitous and everyone knows it.
- musicale 4y ago
  I gather you've never seen the print edition of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times or suffered through endless advertisements for Shen Yun. Edit: according to above, they've pivoted somewhat in terms of their political stance and direction since 2016. Apparently Doctor Strange 2 ran afoul of censors for neglecting to scrub out an Epoch Times newspaper box that appeared briefly in a scene shot on location in New York.
  - woooooo 4y ago
    I have. Shen yun are Taiwanese and really big on the KMT above and beyond the typical dance group, while epoch times is run by Falun gong people. Both dislike the ccp for their own obvious insider reasons. (Epoch times pivot to trumpland is an obvious play for them, works way better than natsec libs). I wouldn't credit them for mainstream media's turn, though. We need a big bad and afghan goat farmers weren't cutting it.
- fomine3 4y ago
  Blaming "Chinese" or "China" looks like racist in recent years so people want to blame the problem itself: CCP
  - 4y ago

ihateyouall123 4y ago

Seeing a lot of anti-free speech comments like this. This isn't even about supporting an asshole who claims "free speech." This is information with a certain tone, so are you anti-information with someone that has a certain tone?

goerz 4y ago
I don’t think questioning whether someone’s speech is “wise” is limiting their free speech
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skinnymuch 4y ago
Free speech is a facade. It never existed. It’s right wing agitprop.

calyth2018 4y ago

Like others pointed out, it's just manufacturing consent. The stated aim on the mainland side is reunification. Anyone with two brain cells would know that bombing a place to shit and then try to run it is going to be hell. See Iraq. Taiwan knows that if they go for de jure independence, then that will leave the mainland with no choice but military action. US knows that this is the juiciest way to do a Bait and Bleed (using Mearsheimer's terms), and will do whatever it takes to drum up the possibility while not directly engaging in an armed conflict with China. This is just standard operating procedures when you have more than hegemons in the world.