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I disagree. War is too expensive for both countries and no calculus beyond lunacy can reason it to be a positive

1270018080 4y ago
Russia invaded Ukraine for basically no reason, it still happened. If you have enough fervent nationalism in the population and an authoritarian government, lunacy isn't going to stop anything.
- HarryHirsch 4y ago
  Russia invaded Ukraine over control of the ports of Sebastopol and Odessa, and over control of the Varangian Road from the Black Sea to Moscow. These are immediate national security concerns. There were those of us who looked at the Eastern expansion of NATO with great concern, a proxy war was going to be fought, and Europe was going to have to deal with the refugees and the political instability.
  - rnk 4y ago
    And so why did Russia invade or attack Moldova and multiple other countries like Georgia? I believe the underlying reason is Russia wants to absorb all of those back or at least control them with puppets. I'm sure in each country they can point to a national security issue. Russia is going to invade and control all the small countries around them unless Europe works together to stop them with the US.
    - HarryHirsch 4y ago
      And so why did Russia invade or attack Moldova and multiple other countries like Georgia? Alsace was fought over by Germany and France for centuries for very much the same reason - access to defensible terrain and natural resources. Many Europeans do not care for US proxy wars but they are affected by political instability and hordes of war refugees.
  - distances 4y ago
    You're repeating Russian talking points. NATO isn't "expanding", independent countries are joining NATO as a safeguard against Russian aggression. And calling this a proxy war is, of course, the usual Russian excuse for why they are doing so badly against Ukraine. They really want to imagine that they're against NATO instead.

Russia invaded Ukraine for basically no reason, it still happened. If you have enough fervent nationalism in the population and an authoritarian government, lunacy isn't going to stop anything.

HarryHirsch 4y ago
Russia invaded Ukraine over control of the ports of Sebastopol and Odessa, and over control of the Varangian Road from the Black Sea to Moscow. These are immediate national security concerns. There were those of us who looked at the Eastern expansion of NATO with great concern, a proxy war was going to be fought, and Europe was going to have to deal with the refugees and the political instability.
- rnk 4y ago
  And so why did Russia invade or attack Moldova and multiple other countries like Georgia? I believe the underlying reason is Russia wants to absorb all of those back or at least control them with puppets. I'm sure in each country they can point to a national security issue. Russia is going to invade and control all the small countries around them unless Europe works together to stop them with the US.
  - HarryHirsch 4y ago
    And so why did Russia invade or attack Moldova and multiple other countries like Georgia? Alsace was fought over by Germany and France for centuries for very much the same reason - access to defensible terrain and natural resources. Many Europeans do not care for US proxy wars but they are affected by political instability and hordes of war refugees.
- distances 4y ago
  You're repeating Russian talking points. NATO isn't "expanding", independent countries are joining NATO as a safeguard against Russian aggression. And calling this a proxy war is, of course, the usual Russian excuse for why they are doing so badly against Ukraine. They really want to imagine that they're against NATO instead.