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> This is just strange thinking to equate decline with some sort of technological leadership. Technology is one of the best indicators of power, progress, soc

by brwck 4y ago

> This is just strange thinking to equate decline with some sort of technological leadership. Technology is one of the best indicators of power, progress, societal dynamism and hope for the future. > - The US is still at a trade deficit with Europe despite the strength in dominating Internet technologies. Who cares? The US has trade deficits with mexico too. > - US society is much more polarized than Europe both in economic equality and political affiliation. Last I checked, there isn't a war in the US and the US didn't lose a member like europe did with brexit. > Some like Spotify or Arm might ring a bell. Arm is owned by nvidia. Spotify? > So a European citizen can buy Apple stock and profit in the same way as an American one. Is that what we are talking about? Trading stocks internationally? Man, there are quite a few people here really hoping europe stays weak and stagnant - especially technology-wise. Wonder why. I guess trading apple stock is the same thing as being able to create apple.

b3orn 4y ago
The takeover of ARM by Nvidia was cancelled over a year ago, it still belongs to SoftBank.
ivan_gammel 4y ago
It’s interesting how you added Ukraine and Russia to the conversation by mentioning the war. Indeed, they both are part of Europe. Did you really mean that?
apeescape 4y ago
>Technology is one of the best indicators of power, progress, societal dynamism and hope for the future. Do you think people in Europe don't get to use American technology, and vice versa? In a globalized world, it doesn't matter much where something is invented. Very few things are banned for export (mainly weapons and other military things). >there isn't a war in the US and the US didn't lose a member like europe did with brexit. Way to contradict yourself. First you imply that a country is in Europe if it's there geographically speaking, but the very next moment you imply that a country isn't part of Europe if it leaves the EU. Which one is it? Ukraine and Russia have never been in the EU, and the UK is still in Europe geographically. >Is that what we are talking about? Trading stocks internationally? What are you exactly talking about then? You seem to imply that American tech companies are only serving the interest of the US. >Man, there are quite a few people here really hoping europe stays weak and stagnant - especially technology-wise. Wonder why. Let me tell you why you might think that: Europe and the US are very different in many aspects. Sure, the collective wealth and might the US have is more than that of Europe, but the quality of life on average is arguably better in Europe. While nobody in Europe hopes that Europe "stays weak and stagnant", it is true that not many in Europe want to live in a country like the US, where legislation is pro-corporation at the expense of the people; the national budget is spent on military to protect the country's super power status while people don't have access to universal health care nor high quality public education; and where the government is in a constant grid lock due to radical polarization. It's a trade off most people are happy to make.
zelphirkalt 4y ago
> Technology is one of the best indicators of power, progress, societal dynamism and hope for the future. I for one am happy to be in Europe, where there is still at least some consideration going on about certain kinds of technology usage. We do not yet have a social credit system, at least that I know of, and some of us are trying to stay off the highway to dystopia surveillance state. What exactly do you mean by the phrase I quoted? What usage of technology? Or the invention of it? The regulations about it? Just saying "technology" is quite vague.
oezi 4y ago
>> This is just strange thinking to equate decline with some sort of technological leadership. > Technology is one of the best indicators of power, progress, societal dynamism and hope for the future. It certainly is, but there are many other variables to consider. European want at least some balance with other values which we consider important. Equality, privacy, healthcare. Just to name a few. You mention the UK leaving the EU. They left because they felt restricted by the rules of the single market and wanted to unleash their capitalism more akin to the US. Look where it led them. To utter chaos and lack of tomatoes. European countries are too small to give birth to super tech champions at the same rate as the US and Europe historically has not enough VC capital, but we do have a strong SME segment. Companies which are world leaders in their segment. Europe isn't in decline in the sense that it isn't a great place to life.

by brwck 4y ago

b3orn 4y ago

The takeover of ARM by Nvidia was cancelled over a year ago, it still belongs to SoftBank.

ivan_gammel 4y ago

It’s interesting how you added Ukraine and Russia to the conversation by mentioning the war. Indeed, they both are part of Europe. Did you really mean that?

apeescape 4y ago

>Technology is one of the best indicators of power, progress, societal dynamism and hope for the future. Do you think people in Europe don't get to use American technology, and vice versa? In a globalized world, it doesn't matter much where something is invented. Very few things are banned for export (mainly weapons and other military things). >there isn't a war in the US and the US didn't lose a member like europe did with brexit. Way to contradict yourself. First you imply that a country is in Europe if it's there geographically speaking, but the very next moment you imply that a country isn't part of Europe if it leaves the EU. Which one is it? Ukraine and Russia have never been in the EU, and the UK is still in Europe geographically. >Is that what we are talking about? Trading stocks internationally? What are you exactly talking about then? You seem to imply that American tech companies are only serving the interest of the US. >Man, there are quite a few people here really hoping europe stays weak and stagnant - especially technology-wise. Wonder why. Let me tell you why you might think that: Europe and the US are very different in many aspects. Sure, the collective wealth and might the US have is more than that of Europe, but the quality of life on average is arguably better in Europe. While nobody in Europe hopes that Europe "stays weak and stagnant", it is true that not many in Europe want to live in a country like the US, where legislation is pro-corporation at the expense of the people; the national budget is spent on military to protect the country's super power status while people don't have access to universal health care nor high quality public education; and where the government is in a constant grid lock due to radical polarization. It's a trade off most people are happy to make.

zelphirkalt 4y ago

> Technology is one of the best indicators of power, progress, societal dynamism and hope for the future. I for one am happy to be in Europe, where there is still at least some consideration going on about certain kinds of technology usage. We do not yet have a social credit system, at least that I know of, and some of us are trying to stay off the highway to dystopia surveillance state. What exactly do you mean by the phrase I quoted? What usage of technology? Or the invention of it? The regulations about it? Just saying "technology" is quite vague.

oezi 4y ago

>> This is just strange thinking to equate decline with some sort of technological leadership. > Technology is one of the best indicators of power, progress, societal dynamism and hope for the future. It certainly is, but there are many other variables to consider. European want at least some balance with other values which we consider important. Equality, privacy, healthcare. Just to name a few. You mention the UK leaving the EU. They left because they felt restricted by the rules of the single market and wanted to unleash their capitalism more akin to the US. Look where it led them. To utter chaos and lack of tomatoes. European countries are too small to give birth to super tech champions at the same rate as the US and Europe historically has not enough VC capital, but we do have a strong SME segment. Companies which are world leaders in their segment. Europe isn't in decline in the sense that it isn't a great place to life.