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Law enforcement is created by society to protect PEOPLE not corporations. So, are you arguing that corporations should not be protected or that law should prot

Law enforcement is created by society to protect PEOPLE not corporations. So, are you arguing that corporations should not be protected or that law should protect him or both?

muyuu 15y ago
Not overriding other countries' legal systems.
- mato 15y ago
  IANAL, but it doesn't work that way. See specifically sections 7 and 11 of the Extradition Act 1999 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1999/0055/latest/whole.html#DLM25689 http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1999/0055/latest/w...). Further, the Extradition Treaty between NZ and the US ( http://newzealand.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/o16y8MOyHW2l-jJTxaMpeQ/ExtraditionUSNZ.pdf http://newzealand.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/o16y8MOyHW2l-...), Article V, which states: "Neither of the Contracting Parties shall be bound to deliver up its own citizens under this Treaty, but the executive authority of each shall have the power to deliver them up, if, in its discretion, it be deemed proper to do so." So there's a bilateral opt-out for both parties, at least in the case where their own citizens are involved.
  - muyuu 15y ago
    The problem with that is the asymmetry between the US and New Zealand in terms of power and trade. Having both parts being able to opt-out effectively means that the smaller part will be free to do exactly as they're told, or else. I hope New Zealand deals with this case and does so fairly and ignoring external pressure. Sadly, this looks unlikely.
    - adestefan 15y ago
      New Zealand has a history of standing up to the US, especially its military. See the fallout from declaring NZ a nuclear free zone which forced the dissolution of the ANZUS military treaty between the US and NZ.
- brown9-2 15y ago
  How does an extradition take place if the host country doesn't agree to let it happen? They had to give consent. Their police conducted the raid.

Law enforcement is created by society to protect PEOPLE not corporations. So, are you arguing that corporations should not be protected or that law should protect him or both?

muyuu 15y ago

Not overriding other countries' legal systems.

mato 15y ago
IANAL, but it doesn't work that way. See specifically sections 7 and 11 of the Extradition Act 1999 (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1999/0055/latest/whole.html#DLM25689 http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1999/0055/latest/w...). Further, the Extradition Treaty between NZ and the US ( http://newzealand.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/o16y8MOyHW2l-jJTxaMpeQ/ExtraditionUSNZ.pdf http://newzealand.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/o16y8MOyHW2l-...), Article V, which states: "Neither of the Contracting Parties shall be bound to deliver up its own citizens under this Treaty, but the executive authority of each shall have the power to deliver them up, if, in its discretion, it be deemed proper to do so." So there's a bilateral opt-out for both parties, at least in the case where their own citizens are involved.
- muyuu 15y ago
  The problem with that is the asymmetry between the US and New Zealand in terms of power and trade. Having both parts being able to opt-out effectively means that the smaller part will be free to do exactly as they're told, or else. I hope New Zealand deals with this case and does so fairly and ignoring external pressure. Sadly, this looks unlikely.
  - adestefan 15y ago
    New Zealand has a history of standing up to the US, especially its military. See the fallout from declaring NZ a nuclear free zone which forced the dissolution of the ANZUS military treaty between the US and NZ.
brown9-2 15y ago
How does an extradition take place if the host country doesn't agree to let it happen? They had to give consent. Their police conducted the raid.