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Of course Tyson knows. Cheaper labor directly translates to increased profits. If Tyson and other megacorporations don't encourage this practice, they are leavi

Of course Tyson knows. Cheaper labor directly translates to increased profits. If Tyson and other megacorporations don't encourage this practice, they are leaving money on the table and violating their fiduciary duty.

onedognight 4y ago
Their fiduciary duty is to violate the law to make money?
- pphysch 4y ago
  If that is what it takes, sure. As long as the punishment is less than the reward, it's good business.
  - Ancapistani 4y ago
    If you have enough money to pay the fine without worrying about it, the fine is just "the price".
    - foogazi 4y ago
      Reminds me of this: https://freakonomics.com/2013/10/what-makes-people-do-what-they-do/ https://freakonomics.com/2013/10/what-makes-people-do-what-t...
Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
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- pphysch 4y ago
  Explaining transnational capitalism != justifying atrocities. The ease at which you jump to personal attacks is extremely concerning. I obviously do not condone the actions of Tyson here.
- Ancapistani 4y ago
  > The ease with which you justify child labor is extremely concerning. I don't see anyone justifying anything here. I'm probably coming the closest to that, and I'm very carefully only trying to share my understanding that's based on living nearby and having at least some interactions with this community. I'm absolutely not defending or justifying anything; I'm pointing out that there are multiple perspectives here and that it's not quite so clear cut. > Not to mention that where one finds illegal workers one tends to find child sexual exploitation because illegals don’t tend to report the crimes they’re victims of. Please consider not using the term "illegals" to refer to people. "Illegal aliens" or "illegal immigrants" is at least marginally better, as it at least acknowledges that these are people we're talking about. I'm not on the same side of this as most of HN seems to be - I hate to even bring it up, but it's relevant here to provide some background on my own views. I'm opposed to illegal immigration, "amnesty", and want to significantly increase border security. I'd summarize my overall position as wanting "A big, beautiful wall with big, beautiful open doors." Anyone who wants to come here should be able to do so, but we absolutely must know who is coming in, why, and be able to prevent known dangerous people from entering the country and disappearing. None of the above is a reason to marginalize individual people and families. I don't go so far as to insist that people use milquetoast terms like "undocumented people", but I recognize that language impacts how we view things. These are people. Policies are driven by public opinion, and public opinion is driven by the language we use. As for the point you're making, I agree. Much of these communities are living under the threat of deportation, and the rest inherits that distrust of authority. Crimes go unreported. We should definitely consider that when addressing issues that impact them.
qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
That sounds like a sentence one could utter at every crime committed. Mob boss before court. This. Following orders at nuremberg. This. Fiduciary duty beets all other duties i guess.
- pphysch 4y ago
  Well, yeah. If a CEO or lower level employee does not follow orders in the name of profit-reducing "ethics" they will be replaced with someone who does. Welcome to capitalism.

onedognight 4y ago

Their fiduciary duty is to violate the law to make money?

pphysch 4y ago
If that is what it takes, sure. As long as the punishment is less than the reward, it's good business.
- Ancapistani 4y ago
  If you have enough money to pay the fine without worrying about it, the fine is just "the price".
  - foogazi 4y ago
    Reminds me of this: https://freakonomics.com/2013/10/what-makes-people-do-what-they-do/ https://freakonomics.com/2013/10/what-makes-people-do-what-t...

Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago

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pphysch 4y ago
Explaining transnational capitalism != justifying atrocities. The ease at which you jump to personal attacks is extremely concerning. I obviously do not condone the actions of Tyson here.
Ancapistani 4y ago
> The ease with which you justify child labor is extremely concerning. I don't see anyone justifying anything here. I'm probably coming the closest to that, and I'm very carefully only trying to share my understanding that's based on living nearby and having at least some interactions with this community. I'm absolutely not defending or justifying anything; I'm pointing out that there are multiple perspectives here and that it's not quite so clear cut. > Not to mention that where one finds illegal workers one tends to find child sexual exploitation because illegals don’t tend to report the crimes they’re victims of. Please consider not using the term "illegals" to refer to people. "Illegal aliens" or "illegal immigrants" is at least marginally better, as it at least acknowledges that these are people we're talking about. I'm not on the same side of this as most of HN seems to be - I hate to even bring it up, but it's relevant here to provide some background on my own views. I'm opposed to illegal immigration, "amnesty", and want to significantly increase border security. I'd summarize my overall position as wanting "A big, beautiful wall with big, beautiful open doors." Anyone who wants to come here should be able to do so, but we absolutely must know who is coming in, why, and be able to prevent known dangerous people from entering the country and disappearing. None of the above is a reason to marginalize individual people and families. I don't go so far as to insist that people use milquetoast terms like "undocumented people", but I recognize that language impacts how we view things. These are people. Policies are driven by public opinion, and public opinion is driven by the language we use. As for the point you're making, I agree. Much of these communities are living under the threat of deportation, and the rest inherits that distrust of authority. Crimes go unreported. We should definitely consider that when addressing issues that impact them.

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago

That sounds like a sentence one could utter at every crime committed. Mob boss before court. This. Following orders at nuremberg. This. Fiduciary duty beets all other duties i guess.

pphysch 4y ago
Well, yeah. If a CEO or lower level employee does not follow orders in the name of profit-reducing "ethics" they will be replaced with someone who does. Welcome to capitalism.