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Immigration is one of the areas that such blatant lying happens by partisans. We do have defacto open borders. A good segment of Dems politicians and activists

by bruceb 4y ago

Immigration is one of the areas that such blatant lying happens by partisans. We do have defacto open borders. A good segment of Dems politicians and activists try to cover this up. They also misrepresent temporary "humanitarian" visas as being temporary. They are never temporary and always get extended. On the other side is the lack of enforcement on the employer side which a good segment of Rs ignore. Cut off incentives and fewer people will come.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago
We do not have de-facto open borders, and this is a huge exaggeration. Immigrants are turned away all the time for all manner of arbitrary reasons. Just because there are large numbers of undocumented people in the country doesn't mean that there isn't border enforcement. Border enforcement is just a hard, expensive problem to solve with no clear vision or leadership.
- breakingrules 4y ago
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  - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
    I'm literally currently existing in such an immigrant town. We do not have open borders. We have poorly and inconsistently enforced border patrols, which is completely different. I'm not saying there isn't a problem, I'm saying it's important to not exaggerate the problem.
    - yunohn 4y ago
      > We do not have open borders I’m assuming you are aware that no country in the world has fences or patrols of their borders to any significant length, right? The reason is both financial/logistical infeasibility, as well as bipartisan neglect. Without cheap labor both locally and abroad, the Western world would collapse overnight.
calgarymicro 4y ago
Approximately 2.7 million arrests have been made at the border since Biden became president. Of those, roughly two thirds were immediately removed from the US under Remain in Mexico/Title 42.[1] Many of the remainder were immediately taken into immigration detention, faced removal proceedings, and were themselves eventually removed from the country (as are many who were not initially arrested at the border).[2] It is unclear to me how this constitutes 'de facto open borders'. [1]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/title-42-immigration-border-biden-covid-19-cdc/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/title-42-immigration-border-bid... [2]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/19/us/politics/us-border-arrests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/19/us/politics/us-border-arr...
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
  They heard it on fox and repeat it as fact.
foogazi 4y ago
> Cut off incentives and fewer people will come. Why would we want fewer people to come ? The article is about employing children - so it seems there aren’t enough adults to work there. We should give out more visas to fill those jobs
- bruceb 4y ago
  or they could just raise wages.

by bruceb 4y ago

PuppyTailWags 4y ago

We do not have de-facto open borders, and this is a huge exaggeration. Immigrants are turned away all the time for all manner of arbitrary reasons. Just because there are large numbers of undocumented people in the country doesn't mean that there isn't border enforcement. Border enforcement is just a hard, expensive problem to solve with no clear vision or leadership.

breakingrules 4y ago
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- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  I'm literally currently existing in such an immigrant town. We do not have open borders. We have poorly and inconsistently enforced border patrols, which is completely different. I'm not saying there isn't a problem, I'm saying it's important to not exaggerate the problem.
  - yunohn 4y ago
    > We do not have open borders I’m assuming you are aware that no country in the world has fences or patrols of their borders to any significant length, right? The reason is both financial/logistical infeasibility, as well as bipartisan neglect. Without cheap labor both locally and abroad, the Western world would collapse overnight.

calgarymicro 4y ago

Approximately 2.7 million arrests have been made at the border since Biden became president. Of those, roughly two thirds were immediately removed from the US under Remain in Mexico/Title 42.[1] Many of the remainder were immediately taken into immigration detention, faced removal proceedings, and were themselves eventually removed from the country (as are many who were not initially arrested at the border).[2] It is unclear to me how this constitutes 'de facto open borders'. [1]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/title-42-immigration-border-biden-covid-19-cdc/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/title-42-immigration-border-bid... [2]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/19/us/politics/us-border-arrests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/19/us/politics/us-border-arr...

Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
They heard it on fox and repeat it as fact.

foogazi 4y ago

> Cut off incentives and fewer people will come. Why would we want fewer people to come ? The article is about employing children - so it seems there aren’t enough adults to work there. We should give out more visas to fill those jobs

bruceb 4y ago
or they could just raise wages.