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For anyone that didn't RTFA: > There is no clear indication why GitHub blocked Amelkin but may have to do with him being based out of Moscow, Russia as his rep

For anyone that didn't RTFA: > There is no clear indication why GitHub blocked Amelkin but may have to do with him being based out of Moscow, Russia as his repositories do not appear otherwise controversial.

rasz 4y ago
Server management tool with a potential of pushing backdoored update being controlled by someone residing in Moscow is plenty controversial.
- ghostoftiber 4y ago
  > a potential > residing in Moscow Guilty until proven innocent isn't a good look, especially when it comes down to where people live or their ethnic background.
  - sam_lowry_ 4y ago
    Ethnic? Rather succeptiple to thermo-rectile cryptoanslysis, as they call it jokingly in Russia.
  - jacob019 4y ago
    US law does not apply to foreign nationals residing in a foreign country. Russia is ruthlessly murdering their neighbors and has indicated that they are at war with the collective west. Russia has a long history of cyber espionage against the US and is actively engaged in Internet warfare. This is an entirely reasonable precaution by Microsoft. It's a sad moment.
    - ms7m 4y ago
      > US law does not apply to foreign nationals residing in a foreign country. I don't think parent meant it in the context of US Law, but more as a general statement, is it a reasonable precaution by MS to ban X solely on the actions of their government?
      - jacob019 4y ago
        Although the presumption of innocence until proven guilty is a fundamental principle of US law and an essential part of our ideology, it is not a universal moral truth. In my opinion, it is justifiable and suitable to prohibit X from having access to sensitive infrastructure based solely on the actions of their government, especially when X is subject to the decisions of that government.
      - jstarfish 4y ago
        > is it a reasonable precaution by MS to ban X solely on the actions of their government? One could argue it's discriminatory; they banned him because he's Russian. ...which is the problem with this rhetoric. Russia and China are known to entice or coerce otherwise-innocuous civilians into acts of espionage. Their foreign policies explicitly exploit our presumptions of innocence, inclusivity and trust. Pre-emptive banning to avoid another SolarWinds is more than reasonable precaution; it's something that should have been done years ago. But in the meantime, by our own policies we're obligated to allow foxes into the henhouse. We're shamed for discriminating against foxes if we turn them away, and shamed again for asking questions about how the Great Chicken Massacre of 2023 was allowed to happen. Chaos engineering at its finest.
        jacob019 4y ago
        Entertaining analogy! I agree with your point, but we are not obligated by policy to allow foxes into the henhouse, rather we are obligated by our social norms.
    - 1MachineElf 4y ago
      Maybe not. Microsoft stands to gain by crippling the most popular FOSS BMC tool. They would rather everyone have to use Windows-centric proprietary alternatives.
      - naikrovek 4y ago
        yes, clearly they've crippled it... they're still hosting it and allowing people to fork and clone the repo. US export and import restrictions must be followed by companies who operate in the US. GitHub is one of those companies, and the developer in question is associated with a newly restricted company, so GitHub must cease allowing that company to operate on its infrastructure.
  - CameronNemo 4y ago
    He is not being convicted of a crime, the software supply chain is just being locked down.
  - _lnwk 4y ago
    Yes, every Russian should be presumed to be guilty until proven otherwise for as long Russia commits a genocidal war. THEY DON'T GIVE THE UKRAINIANS THEY BUTCHER BENEFIT OF DOUBT.
    - workaccount1 4y ago
      There has been no mistaken belief that has casued as much suffering worldwide as the false belief that "we are the government".
- redprince 4y ago
  Unless you know of the hurdles this hypothetical source code change would need to clear to have any effect. Then there is no controversy at all.
- lyind 4y ago
  "Supply chain my attack!" -- The Leader
- cryptonector 4y ago
  Reason: DMCA Public: Oof. vs Reason: War Public: Fork it! vs Reason: <unstated> Public: now what?
striking 4y ago
https://ru.linkedin.com/in/aamelkin https://ru.linkedin.com/in/aamelkin > Alexander Amelkin - BIOS/BMC Team Lead - YADRO YADRO is a recently sanctioned Russian company

rasz 4y ago

Server management tool with a potential of pushing backdoored update being controlled by someone residing in Moscow is plenty controversial.

ghostoftiber 4y ago
> a potential > residing in Moscow Guilty until proven innocent isn't a good look, especially when it comes down to where people live or their ethnic background.
- sam_lowry_ 4y ago
  Ethnic? Rather succeptiple to thermo-rectile cryptoanslysis, as they call it jokingly in Russia.
- jacob019 4y ago
  US law does not apply to foreign nationals residing in a foreign country. Russia is ruthlessly murdering their neighbors and has indicated that they are at war with the collective west. Russia has a long history of cyber espionage against the US and is actively engaged in Internet warfare. This is an entirely reasonable precaution by Microsoft. It's a sad moment.
  - ms7m 4y ago
    > US law does not apply to foreign nationals residing in a foreign country. I don't think parent meant it in the context of US Law, but more as a general statement, is it a reasonable precaution by MS to ban X solely on the actions of their government?
    - jacob019 4y ago
      Although the presumption of innocence until proven guilty is a fundamental principle of US law and an essential part of our ideology, it is not a universal moral truth. In my opinion, it is justifiable and suitable to prohibit X from having access to sensitive infrastructure based solely on the actions of their government, especially when X is subject to the decisions of that government.
    - jstarfish 4y ago
      > is it a reasonable precaution by MS to ban X solely on the actions of their government? One could argue it's discriminatory; they banned him because he's Russian. ...which is the problem with this rhetoric. Russia and China are known to entice or coerce otherwise-innocuous civilians into acts of espionage. Their foreign policies explicitly exploit our presumptions of innocence, inclusivity and trust. Pre-emptive banning to avoid another SolarWinds is more than reasonable precaution; it's something that should have been done years ago. But in the meantime, by our own policies we're obligated to allow foxes into the henhouse. We're shamed for discriminating against foxes if we turn them away, and shamed again for asking questions about how the Great Chicken Massacre of 2023 was allowed to happen. Chaos engineering at its finest.
      - jacob019 4y ago
        Entertaining analogy! I agree with your point, but we are not obligated by policy to allow foxes into the henhouse, rather we are obligated by our social norms.
  - 1MachineElf 4y ago
    Maybe not. Microsoft stands to gain by crippling the most popular FOSS BMC tool. They would rather everyone have to use Windows-centric proprietary alternatives.
    - naikrovek 4y ago
      yes, clearly they've crippled it... they're still hosting it and allowing people to fork and clone the repo. US export and import restrictions must be followed by companies who operate in the US. GitHub is one of those companies, and the developer in question is associated with a newly restricted company, so GitHub must cease allowing that company to operate on its infrastructure.
- CameronNemo 4y ago
  He is not being convicted of a crime, the software supply chain is just being locked down.
- _lnwk 4y ago
  Yes, every Russian should be presumed to be guilty until proven otherwise for as long Russia commits a genocidal war. THEY DON'T GIVE THE UKRAINIANS THEY BUTCHER BENEFIT OF DOUBT.
  - workaccount1 4y ago
    There has been no mistaken belief that has casued as much suffering worldwide as the false belief that "we are the government".
redprince 4y ago
Unless you know of the hurdles this hypothetical source code change would need to clear to have any effect. Then there is no controversy at all.
lyind 4y ago
"Supply chain my attack!" -- The Leader
cryptonector 4y ago
Reason: DMCA Public: Oof. vs Reason: War Public: Fork it! vs Reason: <unstated> Public: now what?

striking 4y ago

https://ru.linkedin.com/in/aamelkin https://ru.linkedin.com/in/aamelkin > Alexander Amelkin - BIOS/BMC Team Lead - YADRO YADRO is a recently sanctioned Russian company